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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCounter View Post
    Not entirely necessary??? Only if you don’t want to make money... there are so many variations in casino rules and players bankroll that you can’t find a one size fits all spread. Don’t preach irresponsible advise.

    CVCX pays for itself pretty quickly even for a red chipper on a “crap” 8D H17 NS 75% pen game. I wish I started to use it since day 1.
    Agree. It should be common sense, but for many I guess it isn't. I mean it is only a couple hundred dollars.

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    It is not a necessity but it is advisable. I used the simple version in the browser before i purchased the real version but i did referred to bj attack as well. i did well just from using that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Qfit has the best that's out there, but it's quite expensive.
    This fits in the "if you have to ask, then you can not afford it!" category.

    That may be the dumbest comment I ever saw you make. What is expensive is being unprepared.
    Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AngryCounter View Post
    Not entirely necessary??? Only if you don’t want to make money... there are so many variations in casino rules and players bankroll that you can’t find a one size fits all spread. Don’t preach irresponsible advise.

    CVCX pays for itself pretty quickly even for a red chipper on a “crap” 8D H17 NS 75% pen game. I wish I started to use it since day 1.
    That applies to pros who play all over the USA. I play in Las Vegas, MS, Mo and the rules are quite standard, there are plenty of DD and 6 deck shoes and once you know your spread for a DD game or a 6 deck game, you can play. No need for software.

    Most people are not traveling all over the world playing different games with different rules. People d3cide what the6 are looking for, what they are comfortable with and stick to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealth View Post
    That may be the dumbest comment I ever saw you make.
    I disagree. he's made plenty of dumber/penny-wise pound foolish comments over the years.
    And look at the bright side. he hasn't talked about snow for a few weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    I disagree. he's made plenty of dumber/penny-wise pound foolish comments over the years.
    And look at the bright side. he hasn't talked about snow for a few weeks.
    Agree 100%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealth View Post
    That may be the dumbest comment I ever saw you make.
    I disagree. He's made plenty of dumber/penny-wise pound foolish comments over the years.
    And look at the bright side. He hasn't talked about snow for a few weeks.


    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    That applies to pros who play all over the USA. I play in Las Vegas, MS, Mo and the rules are quite standard, there are plenty of DD and 6 deck shoes and once you know your spread for a DD game or a 6 deck game, you can play. No need for software.
    This is far dumber than MWP's comment. There's no such thing as standard rules. There's S/H17; DAS, NDAS, D9, etc.; LS and no LS; RSA or not. And more important than rules is pen. Ramping varies much more by pen than it does by rules. But I guess you're right. If you are going to leave the table in a high count so you can lock in your $300 win and feel good, none of it matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    there are plenty of DD and 6 deck shoes and once you know your spread for a DD game or a 6 deck game, you can play. No need for software.
    No. For maximum effectiveness - calculate house edge on the fly with the ability to adjust your ramp from a minimum of what’s required to beat the game based on deck penetration and rule set, to a maximum of what the house will tolerate.

    Having software, and becoming familiar with it will, if you put in the effort, allow you to manually calculate spreads at different counts at a near optimum level. If I’m playing heads up, get 3.5-4.0/6, I know I need to be Sledgehammer Sam with it’s associated variance, whereas at 5.0-5.5/6, I can be Artistic Andy.

    Further, if you tip, your tips are non existent at lousy pen, and more generous at deep pen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    That applies to pros who play all over the USA. I play in Las Vegas, MS, Mo and the rules are quite standard, there are plenty of DD and 6 deck shoes and once you know your spread for a DD game or a 6 deck game, you can play. No need for software.

    Most people are not traveling all over the world playing different games with different rules. People d3cide what the6 are looking for, what they are comfortable with and stick to it.
    Zee, that's kind of naive don't you really think? Have not rules changed in all the locations you have mentioned? Have not places decreased or increased penetration? Have they not added or taken away S17, etc? This world is sure not etched in permanency and you should be willing to adapt. It doesn't mean you have to have the software but it sure makes life easier and can confirm your playing parameters. I know you can look up the initial house edge in books, counting all the rules at a particular casino. But having the software makes it easier, more consistent, and accurate. It's a small investment. Maybe 2 of your max bets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Having software, and becoming familiar with it will, if you put in the effort, allow you to manually calculate spreads at different counts at a near optimum level. If I’m playing heads up, get 3.5-4.0/6, I know I need to be Sledgehammer Sam with it’s associated variance, whereas at 5.0-5.5/6, I can be Artistic Andy.

    Further, if you tip, your tips are non existent at lousy pen, and more generous at deep pen.
    Freighter is right.............and tips will also be more effective if they keep their own tokes. There are still places that do that..........though not as many.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealth View Post
    This fits in the "if you have to ask, then you can not afford it!" category.

    That may be the dumbest comment I ever saw you make. What is expensive is being unprepared.
    There is nothing dumb about my comment. I agree with everyone that Norm's software is the best out there. In fact, I don't know of any other blackjack software that is still supported. I don't think having software is the most important thing to have. Learning basic strategy and knowing how to count well is much more important.

    Many years ago I bought blackjack 6-7-8 software. It had a practice game and did sims. Can't remember for sure, but it might of created index values also. I think the price I paid was $39 (maybe $59) so Norm's software at $170 is quite a bit more expensive. Now blackjack 6-7-8 is no longer supported as I believe the same goes for SBA. However, Norm's software can do in seconds what Blackjack 6-7-8 took hours to do. I would leave sims run overnight with Blackjack 6-7-8.

    I do appreciate that Norm has his software updated and compatible with Windows 10. I always wondered what would happen to his software if something was to happen to him. Who is going to support it an update it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    There is nothing dumb about my comment. I agree with everyone that Norm's software is the best out there. In fact, I don't know of any other blackjack software that is still supported. I don't think having software is the most important thing to have. Learning basic strategy and knowing how to count well is much more important.

    Many years ago I bought blackjack 6-7-8 software. It had a practice game and did sims. Can't remember for sure, but it might of created index values also. I think the price I paid was $39 (maybe $59) so Norm's software at $170 is quite a bit more expensive. Now blackjack 6-7-8 is no longer supported as I believe the same goes for SBA. However, Norm's software can do in seconds what Blackjack 6-7-8 took hours to do. I would leave sims run overnight with Blackjack 6-7-8.

    I do appreciate that Norm has his software updated and compatible with Windows 10. I always wondered what would happen to his software if something was to happen to him. Who is going to support it an update it.
    Your comment and Zee's is dumb, as others here have pointed out already.
    And I guess when Norm dies then we will see if his software is supported.
    For the time being...there is no reason not to have his software if you fancy yourself an AP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Counting_Is_Fun View Post
    Your comment and Zee's is dumb, as others here have pointed out already.
    And I guess when Norm dies then we will see if his software is supported.
    For the time being...there is no reason not to have his software if you fancy yourself an AP.
    You “fancy yourself an AP”? You were mostly an annoying newbie, now for the very first time, you sound funny!

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