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Thread: Hard 16 vs 10, no surrender H17

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    Quote Originally Posted by BughouseMASTER View Post
    "smart casinos" ?! and what smart casinos would you be referring to? I've never noticed a casino keeping track of what someone does on such a common 16v10 losing hand with no surrender available..... and i've been around a LOT of ppl who dont count at all, only to hit & stand sporadically on that 70%-losing hand !
    The guy you responded to is a 21 year old newbie, ignore him. You are right, playing it differently is not a giveaway for those of us who appear to be constantly making gut decisions, like sometimes hitting 12 vs 6, sometimes not, sometimes hitting 13 vs 5, etc. As 21forme and others have stated, pit folks don’t know shit about deviations, your spread is more a giveaway than much else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BughouseMASTER View Post
    "smart casinos" ?! and what smart casinos would you be referring to? I've never noticed a casino keeping track of what someone does on such a common 16v10 losing hand with no surrender available..... and i've been around a LOT of ppl who dont count at all, only to hit & stand sporadically on that 70%-losing hand !
    I guess you think you know what you are talking about...you have definitely made sure we all notice you on the forum after so few posts lately.
    Have you ever even been backed off a game yet?
    Ploppies who vary as you say "sporadically"...and APs that vary correctly are 2 different discussions.
    Last edited by Counting_Is_Fun; 02-16-2020 at 12:52 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    The guy you responded to is a 21 year old newbie, ignore him. You are right, playing it differently is not a giveaway for those of us who appear to be constantly making gut decisions, like sometimes hitting 12 vs 6, sometimes not, sometimes hitting 13 vs 5, etc. As 21forme and others have stated, pit folks don’t know shit about deviations, your spread is more a giveaway than much else.
    Keep trying Zeeguy.
    In my experience playing hands like 16 v 10 differently all the time at local casinos will catch up with you.
    Maybe that is one of the many reasons you can't play locally anymore ?
    Goalseeker, take your advice carefully on this forum lol. Good luck!
    Last edited by Counting_Is_Fun; 02-16-2020 at 02:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Counting_Is_Fun View Post
    Keep trying Zeeguy.
    In my experience playing hands like 16 v 10 differently all the time at local casinos will catch up with you.
    Maybe that is one of the many reasons you can't play locally anymore ?
    Goalseeker, take your advice carefully on this forum lol. Good luck!
    Been doing it 7+ years straight. Play in Las Vegas 12+ times a year, MS 3 times a year, local casinos 3 times a week. It’s not the 10 vs 16 but by playing too many long sessions too often in HL DD games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Counting_Is_Fun View Post
    I guess you think you know what you are talking about...you have definitely made sure we all notice you on the forum after so few posts lately.
    Have you ever even been backed off a game yet?
    Ploppies who vary as you say "sporadically"...and APs that vary correctly are 2 different discussions.
    As what ZeeBabar mentioned, you are a 21 y.o NOOB who don't know anything so I won't bother replying to you. LMEAO

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    Quote Originally Posted by BughouseMASTER View Post
    As what ZeeBabar mentioned, you are a 21 y.o NOOB who don't know anything so I won't bother replying to you. LMEAO
    To each their own, good luck guy. And for what it's worth...Zee is usually wrong about most things, including my age, etc. It's just his way to try to insult someone.
    And I don't think I trust what you say...you just replied to me lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gronbog View Post
    These kinds of adjustments apply to basic strategy players because they are accurate off the top of the shoe. In the absence of other information, the composition of your hand implies enough about the composition of the remaining cards to warrant a change in strategy.

    However, when counting, the composition of the cards which have been dealt and hence of those which remain is represented by the running count. What difference does it make if there is a 6 in your hand vs in some else's hand or even dealt during the previous round? These all represent the same depletion of a 6 from the remaining cards.

    Once again. The running count is +10 with 2 decks remaining to play. Do you really believe that the presence of a 6 in your multi card 16 vs T is enough to negate the sizeable advantage of standing over hitting?
    FOR CONSIDERATION:
    The specific cards which brought the RC into positive territory matter because different low cards in your card tag structure impact your 16 differently.

    EMBELLISHED EXAMPLE: You're playing at 3rd base with two others players. You're at mid-shoe and the Hi/Lo RC is -2, but you have no idea which specific cards brought it to that. Now you're dealt 10/6 against a 10 and after the other two players finish their hands, the RC is +3. You prepare to wave your hand, but then notice that the other two players each have 6/6/6.
    WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

    If their cards were 5/5/5, it would be a no-brainer. But to your 16, those six 6s are very much like six 10s.

    There are other considerations over how those 6s affect the dealer's hand and whether the barrage of 6s here suggests there may have been fewer of them initially contributing to the current RC. But with all RCs of -1 to +1, I personally look for 4s, 5s, 6s and 7s (Wong Halves)) on the board, then lean my decision with 16 against a 10 accordingly.

    COMMENTS WELCOME.

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    Seems like a lot of effort to gain literal pennies in EV

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