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    Casino Verite Progress Tracker/Goal

    Hello Blackjack community!

    Recently I have downloaded the free trial of Casino Verite, and I have really enjoyed it. So much that I am going to purchase the full edition!

    A couple of questions I have prior to the purchase:
    1. Does anyone have a range of when I can determine that I am ready to go to the casino and actually start counting cards?
    E.G: 100% accuracy in the flashcard test at a certain speed? In addition to the table counting test?
    2. I am concerned about being able to follow a schedule that will be measurable from point A to point B in my progress if counting cards.

    If anyone can provide some insight into their measuring/knowing they were ready to count cards at an actual casino, I would greatly appreciate it! If you need more info/are confused just let me know.

    Thanks!

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    You need to be able to accomplish all of your tracking/math/decisions accurately at the natural speed of the table. Conditions can definitely affect the speed of the table, so you may be good in one situation and find yourself outmatched in another. Your training needs to close the gaps before you commit real money to it. That being said, you don't really know yourself until you try it live. Expect that you will struggle more in the live game due to nervousness and not being able to control the pace much.


    In many of the drills you will see meters where you want to get into the red zone for speed and accuracy. For each one of these things you have to be accurate enough and fast enough.


    Keep the running count:
    Strive to do it by pairs with the dealt hands, it's the most efficient method once you get used to it. It needs to be automatic so you focus on the harder stuff. Be able to consistently count a deck of cards by singles or pairs in less than 30 seconds with no mistakes. In real life you should be able to stand behind a table and count the flow of the fastest dealers and players without any difficulty. You should be able to have the RC updated within a second after the dealer reveals the down card. You should be able to routinely count an entire shoe with no mistakes.


    Estimate decks remaining:
    For a shoe, at minimum, you need to be accurate to a full deck, and better if accurate to a half-deck. You should be looking for 100% accuracy with a full deck within 2 seconds. If you are sacrificing accuracy to get speed, you are not there yet. This is one of the more valuable drills to do in CV. Keep trying to increase your speed without degrading performance. You also need to be able to do it live with a variable stack of cards, so I recommend training/testing with real cards also. Different discard trays, cards, or positions can throw you off. Your profitability will be better with half-deck accuracy but it's more difficult.


    Do the TC math:
    This is about speed while still getting the correct answer. Again, the CV drill is very valuable. The calculation is easier when you estimate full decks. You need TC in time to naturally place the correct bet. You only have a few seconds once the cards have come out and the count may have changed since you placed your bet. The worst can be deciding to take insurance when it's close to the index; they may not wait for you. Again, half-deck accuracy is better but you have to be able to handle the fractions.


    Know the proper play:
    Basic strategy has to be 100% perfect. Whatever BS you are using for the rules you are playing, it needs to be automatic. For every hand on the grid you should know the correct BS play within a second or two. Uncommon soft doubles and splits tend to be the hardest to remember. Rapid fire drills will find your weak spots.


    For the indices that you are going to play, you need to know the index number almost as quickly as the BS play. You should be able to recall the correct deviation index for all indices you intend to use within 2-3 seconds and make the proper playing decision. Again, rapid fire drills will find your weak spots. I made flash cards to keep with me wherever I go. Grind through them multiple times a day until you can get them 100% correct as fast as you can flip them.


    Manage the Environment:
    You need to remain aware of your surroundings and be able to manage distractions. This includes talking while counting, watching other people, not looking like someone trying remember Pi to the 12th decimal place, catching dealer mistakes, ordering a drink, deflecting the dope blaming you for screwing up the flow of the cards, etc. This is obviously hard to practice in software. If you really want a challenge, try to have a meaningful conversation with a significant other while playing through a shoe correctly and not getting accused of being distracted. In the casino you can engage in stupid table chatter without too much effort, but a thoughtful and attentive conversation is very hard to do while playing. When you play in the casino initially, keep your sessions short so that you can learn what screws you up and then go work on it.
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    Very nice post. Well-written to boot.

    If you save this for future reference or dissemination, you may want to make the following edits:

    1. "You should be able to have the RC updated within a second after the dealer reveals the up-card [down card]."

    2. "The worst can be deciding to take insurance when it's close to the index,[;] they may not wait for you."

    3. "I made flash cards [to] keep with me wherever I go."

    Nice job!

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoalSeeker View Post
    Hello Blackjack community!

    Recently I have downloaded the free trial of Casino Verite, and I have really enjoyed it. So much that I am going to purchase the full edition!

    A couple of questions I have prior to the purchase:
    1. Does anyone have a range of when I can determine that I am ready to go to the casino and actually start counting cards?
    E.G: 100% accuracy in the flashcard test at a certain speed? In addition to the table counting test?
    2. I am concerned about being able to follow a schedule that will be measurable from point A to point B in my progress if counting cards.

    If anyone can provide some insight into their measuring/knowing they were ready to count cards at an actual casino, I would greatly appreciate it! If you need more info/are confused just let me know.

    Thanks!
    Each person reacts differently to playing BJ in a casino. We react differently to dealer pace, number of players and conversation, heat, losses and wins, distractions and more.

    Its silly to wait, spend hours and hours practicing to play, read books, view videos and such only to find it’s not for you. Take a $100 dollars, go to casino and try. Consider it tuition. Stand behind and keep count at minimum $5 tables, maybe enter a game when the count is positive, play a few hands, Wong out if count gets negative.

    You would be surprised by how much you can learn about yourself, learn to deal with the speed of the game (which varies tremendously with other players and their demeanor, the dealer etc.).

    You can start by standing behind and back counting, place a few minimum bets and test yourself, whether the playing decisions come to you quickly or you go blank or make mistakes. In time, you could wong in, place a $15 bet in a higher count, see how you react to wins and losses, see if you can converse with others, feel comfortable etc. Try it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Its silly to wait, spend hours and hours practicing to play, read books, view videos and such only to find it’s not for you.
    You reguarly argue that you're not giving advice. This sure sounds like advice; bad advice at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBourne View Post
    Know the proper play:
    Basic strategy has to be 100% perfect. Whatever BS you are using for the rules you are playing, it needs to be automatic. For every hand on the grid you should know the correct BS play within a second or two. Uncommon soft doubles and splits tend to be the hardest to remember. Rapid fire drills will find your weak spots.
    A thing I kept in mind when learning basic strategy, "I'll have basic strategy down when I know the correct play for A6 against a 3 just as well as a 20 against a 3." That should be a motto for players who are first learning basic strategy. Obscure hands should be just as known as standing on a 20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    You reguarly argue that you're not giving advice. This sure sounds like advice; bad advice at that.
    I don’t give advice on strategy, betting etc. That is not advice, it is opinion as to when someone should step into a casino to play. You disagree, it’s fine.

    I spent a lifetime telling students not to wait till you graduate before you step into a working environment, to volunteer, get internships, whatever in the field you have chosen. The same applies here. It’s silly to invest time and money to get into an environment you may not enjoy working in.

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    I just wanted to say thanks for all the responses. I will be utilizing a peace of them all going forward. Looking forward to becoming a counter!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoalSeeker View Post
    I will be utilizing a peace of them all going forward.
    No you won't!

    Don

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    GoalSeeker, you sound quite motivated.

    I am not a counter, but I saw a blackjack player at a table once who was moving his lips while studying the cards. The impression I got was that he was counting but forgot to not move his lips while doing so!

    I realize the following may not be practical, but on this forum I have read some sage advice: If I am paraphrasing correctly, have an experienced counter whom you trust watch you execute your skills in a real casino, or perhaps in a semi-simulated casino. She/he can provide valuable feedback.

    Finally, perhaps expect the unexpected, such as a smelly player sitting down next to you, smoky air, chilly air conditioning, an impatient waitress asking you what you'd like to drink, etc.

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