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    Marginal Games

    Do any serious pros play the high variance, bad rules shoe games out there (house edge 0.5-0.6%)? Like H17 6D DAS stuff with 2 decks cut off. I have a game like that close to home at a very tolerant casino.

    Anyone have any advice on the variance associated with these games? I've seen even pros (like smallcap) accuse places of cheating that have games like this bc their results get so bad.

    I want to do 2×30-2×300, drop to 1×15 or wong in negatives. Max out at +4 true. Should I just skip these games and travel 4 extra hours to get to DD? My bankroll is 60,000$. I recently became breakeven lifetime so not a losing player anymore, lol!

    I've won about 7k playing DD lifetime and lost 7k playing shoe lifetime. I'm nervous about going back to shoe.

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    You gotta spread like a pig or wong If you’re going to play that and beat it without having an NO of like 80k, especially sub 100-150k br. Sub 100k excessive risk to push you back into red to light green play IMO. I’ve occasionally played games with rules like that with 1.8-2 cuts but 1-40+ and/or wonging. If they won’t tolerate a pig spread it’s just not worth it imo. Still like 30k NO if you use a piggish spread, but if they let you camp and you got the br and stomach for it it’s alright.

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    Omg! Stick with DD. Your bankroll will thank you.

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    Better have a huge bankoll and nerves of steel to play that game, or get very lucky. Or both! Add another zero to your bankroll then maybe give it a shot, if you're slightly masochistic.

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    There are some pros that have done this. Smallcap is one. I know a few others who aren't members here, so I won't mention names. Places with shit games USED to be tolerant, but these guys have changed that in a lot of places.

    Given what you posted here, I don't think that approach is a good idea for you. You need to grind good games and build your BR, not take shots with crazy variance due to shit games and massive spreads.

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    Low SCORE, High N0 and low EV. I would stay away unless you have a 200-300k roll and can’t get down anywhere else. You can find much better cuts in that store though. Just shop for pen.


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    Just sim it in CVCX and see if you like the numbers you get. If they let you camp, N0 might be ok if you measure it in weeks instead of rounds.

    And Smallcap may be able to advise you on getting better pen, if you’re still tight with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    There are some pros that have done this. Smallcap is one. I know a few others who aren't members here, so I won't mention names. Places with shit games USED to be tolerant, but these guys have changed that in a lot of places.

    Given what you posted here, I don't think that approach is a good idea for you. You need to grind good games and build your BR, not take shots with crazy variance due to shit games and massive spreads.
    Some like smallcap have done what? Played marginal games with terrible pen? Lol. Why do you call smallcap a pro? lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Counting_Is_Fun View Post
    Some like smallcap have done what? Played marginal games with terrible pen? Lol. Why do you call smallcap a pro? lol
    Don’t insult Smallcap. He has played far more than you can even dream about.Show some respect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Don’t insult Smallcap. He has played far more than you can even dream about.Show some respect.
    Are you in charge of this forum? I think you lost your mind again. Who cares how long he has "played"?
    Then tell us all about your AP play in the last 6 years? lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Counting_Is_Fun View Post
    Some like smallcap have done what? Played marginal games with terrible pen? Lol.
    Yes, exactly. Not sure why you think it's funny.

    Quote Originally Posted by Counting_Is_Fun View Post
    Why do you call smallcap a pro? lol
    Because that's how he makes his living.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Counting_Is_Fun View Post
    Why do you call smallcap a pro? lol
    21forme does not owe you an answer period. He gave an opinion which he is entitled to, agree with him or don't. If you want to give your opinion on some subject matter be my guest.
    Last edited by BoSox; 01-17-2020 at 05:56 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Counting_Is_Fun View Post
    Why do you call smallcap a pro? lol
    Because despite the fact that he’s tilted on -EV games, he’s won 7 figures solely from the game of blackjack. I’m going to safely assume that’s probably more than what 99% of the membership on this forum has won from BJ. And as everyone here knows, he’s had his degen moments and lost almost everything to baccarat and poker, it still doesn’t change the fact that when it’s come to blackjack, he’s absolutely crushed the game! That’s why we call Smallcap a pro.

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