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    While not exactly the same as you describe, read this:

    https://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/gamb...e-on-what-now/

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    Kicking myself for not dealing with the situation more skillfully. No substitute for experience is there?

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    Wouldn’t it have been easier to half- shoe me and see if I leave???
    Last edited by Optimus Prime; 01-14-2020 at 03:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    That picture must be close to like two of the pit crew's reactions at your local casino when you asked them for a coffee shop comp.
    I have never had to ask for a comp, anywhere, they mail them to me...and they're not coffee shop comps...BoSox Sour Grapes.jpg
    Last edited by Wave; 01-14-2020 at 04:55 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus Prime View Post
    Norm, these people are ruining another thread!
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealth View Post
    Based on the accuracy of the interface with the "new good dealer", I would suggest you have already lost it. Rethinking you is over.

    Going from 40:1 at a shoe end after a max bet is soooooooo niave. Design some better bet structures for your stores.
    Quote Originally Posted by tomf23 View Post
    40-1 is really being a pig but MAYBE you could get away with that if it looks like you're pressing, pissed off your losing or whatever
    But then dropping back down to one bet on the shuffle is just throwing it in their face. don't do that.Bet even 10 units off the top, give up a little ev and gradually ramp it down.If you lost the last hand maybe even 5 units. But 1? That's really bad.
    Or even better just color up, take a little break and then play at another table or even better another pit afterwards and start out betting a few units off the top.This is ESPECIALLY true when using a 40-1 spread. Try and make it not look like 40-1.

    As for them not caring what you do- that may be true (starting not to sound like that.) But even if it's true, it's true until it isn't. If you said you don't care about the store then screw it, be greedy until they back you off. But you said it's the only game in town. They've left you alone so treat it with respect.If I'm in Vegas in some place I don't care about that doesn't have sister properties I'm worried about i'm gonna spread a lot bigger than a place that's a short drive away that I'm gonna put in a lot more hours in each year.

    Is the lost ev of say a 10 unit bet off the top worth being backed off your main local store?
    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus Prime View Post
    Kicking myself for not dealing with the situation more skillfully. No substitute for experience is there?
    Who knows really. We are just guessing off of what you have told us. But honestly it doesn't sound good.
    At this point, I guess just keep playing but definitely lower the 40:1.
    And definitely don't drop back down to minimum bet after every shuffle. Good luck!

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    I know the 40:1 sounds crazy, and like I said, I don't usually do it. This store has been so tolerant for so long, I figured it didn't matter. I always attributed the tolerance to my win/loss record, which shows me losing a lot of money to them.

    One ray of hope: during the session with the heat, I dumped about 10% of my bankroll. Hopefully that bought (literally) me some longevity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus Prime View Post
    I know the 40:1 sounds crazy, and like I said, I don't usually do it. This store has been so tolerant for so long, I figured it didn't matter. I always attributed the tolerance to my win/loss record, which shows me losing a lot of money to them.

    One ray of hope: during the session with the heat, I dumped about 10% of my bankroll. Hopefully that bought (literally) me some longevity.
    I've made the mistake of thinking a place doesn't care bc they're really tolerant and I turned into a pig causing me to get the ban

    What really sucks is it's a place I play a lot of poker in so I have to respect the ban
    Additionally the game went from decent to absolutely amazing in the last few months

    We all make mistakes
    We need to learn from them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus Prime View Post
    Norm, these people are ruining another thread!
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealth View Post
    Based on the accuracy of the interface with the "new good dealer", I would suggest you have already lost it. Rethinking you is over.

    Going from 40:1 at a shoe end after a max bet is soooooooo niave. Design some better bet structures for your stores.
    Quote Originally Posted by tomf23 View Post
    40-1 is really being a pig but MAYBE you could get away with that if it looks like you're pressing, pissed off your losing or whatever
    But then dropping back down to one bet on the shuffle is just throwing it in their face. don't do that.Bet even 10 units off the top, give up a little ev and gradually ramp it down.If you lost the last hand maybe even 5 units. But 1? That's really bad.
    Or even better just color up, take a little break and then play at another table or even better another pit afterwards and start out betting a few units off the top.This is ESPECIALLY true when using a 40-1 spread. Try and make it not look like 40-1.

    As for them not caring what you do- that may be true (starting not to sound like that.) But even if it's true, it's true until it isn't. If you said you don't care about the store then screw it, be greedy until they back you off. But you said it's the only game in town. They've left you alone so treat it with respect.If I'm in Vegas in some place I don't care about that doesn't have sister properties I'm worried about i'm gonna spread a lot bigger than a place that's a short drive away that I'm gonna put in a lot more hours in each year.

    Is the lost ev of say a 10 unit bet off the top worth being backed off your main local store?
    Quote Originally Posted by tomf23 View Post
    I've made the mistake of thinking a place doesn't care bc they're really tolerant and I turned into a pig causing me to get the ban

    What really sucks is it's a place I play a lot of poker in so I have to respect the ban
    Additionally the game went from decent to absolutely amazing in the last few months

    We all make mistakes
    We need to learn from them
    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus Prime View Post
    I know the 40:1 sounds crazy, and like I said, I don't usually do it. This store has been so tolerant for so long, I figured it didn't matter. I always attributed the tolerance to my win/loss record, which shows me losing a lot of money to them.

    One ray of hope: during the session with the heat, I dumped about 10% of my bankroll. Hopefully that bought (literally) me some longevity.
    You also said you have raised stakes...
    Every casino is different. Some don't care much about red chip counters. But when you raise stakes, they say nope.

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    It would be nice if they'd just tell us what they'll tolerate!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus Prime View Post
    It would be nice if they'd just tell us what they'll tolerate!
    Yes that would be nice, but unfortunately they don't.
    You also say that you show a nice looking losing record...I assume this is because you rathole.
    Maybe the heat has nothing even to do with your 40:1 spread etc. Ploppies don't really rathole very much. They show off their wins.
    If you rathole a lot, or especially green or higher without knowing what you are doing, then it is not good. Or when you cash out at the cage for much less than what the pit just saw you win and put in your pocket...not good.

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    Yes, I rathole. Plus I think they're a little sloppy in the pit - even I was surprised how much I'd "lost" when I ran the report. I rathole green, usually when I'm winning. After winning, I cash out anything over $500 in chips, regardless of win or loss. Next session I start with my $500 or less in chips. Is there a better strategy?

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    Maybe the pit is sloppy...or maybe you are...who knows? Lol.
    If they find you out to be a rat-holer then that is not good. If you swipe green from their table and most other players are only playing red...then pit will notice.
    Your "report" might say one thing.. but the dealers and pit know you are a rat-holer...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimus Prime View Post
    Time will tell. I think my larger mistake was continuing to play after security showed up so they could count me down, which they probably hadn’t yet.
    Security does not "come down" to count you down, they simply tell surveillance to rewind the video and count you down. If they suspect you are a counter, then this will be the confirmation and then you will get a visit.
    Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!

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