7,7 vs 8

[dalmatian]

You split 7s against 8 in DD as basic strategoz. I'm wondering the index play.

CVData told me it's a split at positive counts and a hit in negativism in halves. Does this sound right.

I want to get thjs right bc it's the most common hand to get.

Thanks, as always

[DSchles]

You split 7s against 8 in DD as basic strategy. I'm wondering the index play.

First things first. You split as BS only if DAS. If NDAS, you don't split. So, if DAS, the Halves index is +2. Do you not have Wong's Professional Blackjack? I think it's pretty unusual to be a Halves player but to not have his book with all the indices.

I want to get this right bc it's the most common hand to get.

Now that's a truly bizarre statement! You get 7,7 vs. 8 in DD, on average, once every 2,439 hands, or, roughly, once every 24 hours! How could you possibly characterize such a play as "the most common hand to get"? What are you thinking??

Don

[Midwest Player]

First things first. You split as BS only if DAS. If NDAS, you don't split. So, if DAS, the Halves index is +2. Do you not have Wong's Professional Blackjack? I think it's pretty unusual to be a Halves player but to not have his book with all the indices.



Now that's a truly bizarre statement! You get 7,7 vs. 8 in DD, on average, once every 2,439 hands, or, roughly, once every 24 hours! How could you possibly characterize such a play as "the most common hand to get"? What are you thinking??

Don

I was going to answer this also, but when I saw Wong had only single deck and 4 deck decided not to. I saw +2 for Halves also, but I believe it was for 4 decks and S17, most DD games are H17 now days.

Edit: +2 for H17 also in Wong's book 4 deck.

[PinkChip]

I was going to answer this also, but when I saw Wong had only single deck and 4 deck decided not to. I saw +2 for Halves also, but I believe it was for 4 decks and S17, most DD games are H17 now days.

Edit: +2 for H17 also in Wong's book 4 deck.

Yes, I just looked up in 1994 edition: Halves index is +2 for 4 decks and 0 for single feck (both regardless of S17/H17).

[PinkChip]

Now that's a truly bizarre statement! You get 7,7 vs. 8 in DD, on average, once every 2,439 hands, or, roughly, once every 24 hours! How could you possibly characterize such a play as "the most common hand to get"? What are you thinking??

Don

I remember this frequency issue (less than 1/2000 for a three-card combination of non-tens) came up just recently in this monster thread from bjanalyst regarding the uselessness of a certain surrender index play :-)

[DSchles]

Yes, I just looked up in 1994 edition: Halves index is +2 for 4 decks and 0 for single feck (both regardless of S17/H17).

In this case, and given that BS for DD H17 is to split, CVCX does, indeed, give 0 for splitting in DD, at least for Hi-Lo, which is consistent with getting this holding off the top of the pack, where the Hi-Lo count would be 0, and the index and BS would be in agreement to split. The Halves count would be slightly positive, because of counting the sevens as positive 0.5, but would not yet be +1, so again, I would imagine the Halves index is 0 also.

Don

[ZeeBabar]

Don, thanks for being around. I am still learning. Sometimes, I tend to choke on hands like these (maybe because the ploppy or even dealer thinks I am wrong for splitting) because, often I win one and lose one, or lose both and there is some idiot always pointing how the whole table might have won, or that it’s silly to lose double the Money, yetta, yetta.....

it’s hands like these or not hitting against a 5,6 when count calls for that ploppies make difficult.

I know, I know all you others waiting to jump on me. This is not for you, just a thanks to Don as Zi embark on a trip..a good reminder.

[PinkChip]

Don, thanks for being around. I am still learning. Sometimes, I tend to choke on hands like these (maybe because the ploppy or even dealer thinks I am wrong for splitting) because, often I win one and lose one, or lose both and there is some idiot always pointing how the whole table might have won, or that it’s silly to lose double the Money, yetta, yetta.....

it’s hands like these or not hitting against a 5,6 when count calls for that ploppies make difficult.

I know, I know all you others waiting to jump on me. This is not for you, just a thanks to Don as Zi embark on a trip..a good reminder.

Of course losing both split hands is disappointing, but you should be glad with (7,7) or any 14 versus dealer 8 when you win one hand and lose one hand, effectively pushing. But a question: which hand should you "not hit against dealer 5 or 6 when count calls for"? Maybe I'm too tired but I cannot imagine what hand that is. Is it 12 versus 5 or 6 which you should hit in a negative count but stand in at zero or positive count? (I don't use negative index plays). Or splitting or doubling down, not hitting, (4,4) versus 5 or 6?

[DSchles]

It's funny how, after 44 years of playing, I have never, ever, cared a whit about a single other player at the table or what he or she might have said, cared about, gotten upset about, over what I have done. Any table I have ever sat at, I have been the best player at the table, while the others, more often than not, were mindless idiots (although I've surely had the pleasure of playing with some truly fine players over the years, too). So why anyone would ever care about the opinions or comments of others at the table, all of whom have no clue about the game, has always been a total mystery to me.

You can rudely tell them to fuck off or, more advisedly, simply totally ignore them and not say a word. But to ever let them bother you? Never in a million years.

Don

[21forme]

You can rudely tell them to fuck off or, more advisedly, simply totally ignore them and not say a word.

I prefer something like, "I'm not really supposed to tell anyone this, but I work for the casino. It's my job to mess up the flow of the cards."

Often, I wind up with my own table.

[ZeeBabar]

It's funny how, after 44 years of playing, I have never, ever, cared a whit about a single other player at the table or what he or she might have said, cared about, gotten upset about, over what I have done. Any table I have ever sat at, I have been the best player at the table, while the others, more often than not, were mindless idiots (although I've surely had the pleasure of playing with some truly fine players over the years, too). So why anyone would ever care about the opinions or comments of others at the table, all of whom have no clue about the game, has always been a total mystery to me.

You can rudely tell them to fuck off or, more advisedly, simply totally ignore them and not say a word. But to ever let them bother you? Never in a million years.

Don

Thats a weakness. At the local casinos, it’s kind of like a “cheers” atmosphere, there is comraderie at the table, story telling, everyone gets along and I kind of like harmony so at times, I have deferred to their wishes...especially when I have a minimum bet, the count is negative and the dealer upcard is a 4-6.

When is 7,7 against an 8 and i have a big bet out, similar to 8,8 against 9, 10, sort of “choked”. Specially after previous split had resulted in loses as dealer had 19,20 to my 18s’.

[kcchiefsfan1982]

It's funny how, after 44 years of playing, I have never, ever, cared a whit about a single other player at the table or what he or she might have said, cared about, gotten upset about, over what I have done. Any table I have ever sat at, I have been the best player at the table, while the others, more often than not, were mindless idiots (although I've surely had the pleasure of playing with some truly fine players over the years, too). So why anyone would ever care about the opinions or comments of others at the table, all of whom have no clue about the game, has always been a total mystery to me.

You can rudely tell them to fuck off or, more advisedly, simply totally ignore them and not say a word. But to ever let them bother you? Never in a million years.

Don

I literally told a guy to go fuck himself after I hit my 12 against a 4 card and he got very angry with me.

Weeks later he apologized to me, and we are now very friendly to each other.

[BJGenius007]

I literally told a guy to go fuck himself after I hit my 12 against a 4 card and he got very angry with me.

Weeks later he apologized to me, and we are now very friendly to each other.

Every time someone is upset with me because I hit 12 against 4, I told them the new computer running results show players should hit 12 against 2, 3 and 4. Repeat, the new book said hit 12 against 2, 3 and 4. When you tell a lie multiple times, eventually some ploppies will believe it especially they see it works a few times.