WAR ..... half shoe pen vs % loss discount -slots bonus - promo bonus

[stefan]

hello to everyone

after several months of tolerance my local casinos against me they decided to give me 50% pen where ever I sit to play.as I understand the issue is that cardcounting and this forum gives u the mentality and the way to play with advantage against the casinos !

so …

I try to exploit in different ways to make profit of them under their nose.i have the material(bonus) but don't know how(maths) to make the cake.

I would really appreciate who ever wants to help me with the math (r.o.r -betting ramp -win loss entry exit points-SD -e,v -) in my current situation and also join me in real present …

and with no more further delays I present you the 'mechanism' against them

4 local casinos

first of them offers blackjack 6deck enhc s17 das das doa nrsa 5/100 25/200 euro and single zero (European )roullete 1/25 spread .they offer 10% return above 100 euro in real cash every 24 hours for the money that u lost .no restrict of playing time .u can bet 100 euro in one hand bj or one spin of roullete and claim your 10% if u lose or cash out if u win.

second casino offers blackjack same as above 5/50 and 10/100 euro also European roullete with 1/10 spread .but this one offers 20% return of your loss if u play a lot of money

third casino offers 6deck ench s17 das doa nrsa es10 obo 10/100 euro and European roulette 1/25 spread. they offer 5-7 % return of your loss.also they offer at slots machines after your first 10 euro lost same amount money bonus.xplaining … u lose 10 euro original.u put more 10 euro and casino offers extra 10 euro bonus to play .if you put 20 euro they offer 20 more euro like bonus .if u put 30 euro they offer 30 euro more bonus.the thing is that for you to cash out u must reach double the profit.meaning I put 30 eyro +30 euro the casino bonus.total amount in credits 60euro.to be able to cash out u must reach 120 euro profit.

and last casino offers in 1000 euro buy in they give you 1100 euro in promo chips that u cant cash out u have to play them all and above and also above 2000 euro loss 10% return in cash if u don't use promo chips

I must mention that in all the above places u can rat holing chips and work with 4/5 individual players like a team with common bankroll.

I can afford to put a fraction=5.000 euro of my total br in this new 'war' against casinos and i am open to any suggestions.

greetings from Greece and I wish you happy xmas and a healthy and happy new year full of pos variance !!!

[Dog Hand]

<snip>... single zero (European )roullete 1/25 spread .they offer 10% return above 100 euro in real cash every 24 hours for the money that u lost .no restrict of playing time .u can bet 100 euro in one hand bj or one spin of roullete and claim your 10% if u lose or cash out if u win.
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I must mention that in all the above places u can rat holing chips and work with 4/5 individual players like a team with common bankroll.<snip>

stefan,

Here's a simple way to get a 7% edge: bet €100 on number 6, then quit for the day. On average you'll lose 36 times for every 1 time you win, so on average every 37 days you'll lose €3600 but receive €360 in cash rebates, and win once for €3500, for a net gain of €3500 + €360 - €3600 = +€260, for an edge of 100%*€260/€3700 = +7%.

With 5 friends, have all play different numbers simultaneously using the above strategy to reduce the variance. In fact, if you could get 36 friends to play with you, you can guarantee a daily win of €7 each... I'll leave it to you to work out this strategy ;-)

Hope this helps!

Dog Hand

[ummagumma]

stefan,

Here's a simple way to get a 7% edge: bet €100 on number 6, then quit for the day. On average you'll lose 36 times for every 1 time you win, so on average every 37 days you'll lose €3600 but receive €360 in cash rebates, and win once for €3500, for a net gain of €3500 + €360 - €3600 = +€260, for an edge of 100%*€260/€3700 = +7%.

With 5 friends, have all play different numbers simultaneously using the above strategy to reduce the variance. In fact, if you could get 36 friends to play with you, you can guarantee a daily win of €7 each... I'll leave it to you to work out this strategy ;-)

Hope this helps!

Dog Hand

Just checking to make sure the OP has read the rebate rules correctly, as the casino may mean all losses above the first E100 gets a 10% rebate. And in which case your system wouldn't work.

[stefan]

first of all i want to thank you for the time to read my post and answer.to make clear the conditions u receive back in cash 10% or 20% of your loss above 100 eyro every 24 hours.u have lost 99 euro u get nothing u lose 500e you take 50 or in some cases 100 euro return in cash.the only 'thing' is that if u continue to play the same day with the money that the casino return to you and u win the original amount that u lost the casino take back the original amount (10%) they offered you.

I made my own research about the loss rebet theory but things complicates to much.some people suggest 7 flat bets -units in blackjack like exit point and others prefer the 11 times in just 2 straight numbers betting progession and the power of the volatility that roulete offers.but there is a lot of gaps in certain issues like r.o.r and 'hands' to double you original bank roll needed variance and betting ramp.my conclusion is that the time runs against you in this case.as long you repeat 'hands' or spins the power of the loss rebet fades away mathematical.this is a hit and run mission I think.

also in case that a casino offers you promo chips these chips should be played in bj but deviating the basic strategy in splits and double.

I don't know if it was wise to publish here my post or in private section of the forum.who ever wish to pm me some 'european' players know who I am and where to find me ….

thank in advance …

sorry for my poor English

[grnmax]

-The limit in roulette is €25 in three of the casinos and €10 in one, correct?
-How much is "play a lot of money" in casino 2? And is it based on amount of action or amount lost?
-In casino 4- if you buy in for €1000 do they give you €1100 in promo chips and zero "regular" chips"?

[grnmax]

Doghand-

While your method is +EV, I respectfully submit that it only captures about a third of the potential EV.

Before I post anything else about this, question for everyone- Should this be posted here?

And I'm not smart enough to figure these things out, but it is found in freely available (though maybe not widely read) literature.

[ummagumma]

Doghand-

While your method is +EV, I respectfully submit that it only captures about a third of the potential EV.

Before I post anything else about this, question for everyone- Should this be posted here?

And I'm not smart enough to figure these things out, but it is found in freely available (though maybe not widely read) literature.

Personally, though I find the thread interesting I would suggest it's not something to discuss on a free and open forum. BTW I'm in the UK and would be interested in any team play if there's a good +ev. You can always PM me....

[Dog Hand]

Doghand-

While your method is +EV, I respectfully submit that it only captures about a third of the potential EV.

Before I post anything else about this, question for everyone- Should this be posted here?

And I'm not smart enough to figure these things out, but it is found in freely available (though maybe not widely read) literature.

grnmax,

Certainly you are correct! I had no intention of posting the optimal method of extracting EV from the setup described in the original post: merely one easy way to gain an edge.

Dog Hand

[stefan]

-The limit in roulette is €25 in three of the casinos and €10 in one, correct?
-How much is "play a lot of money" in casino 2? And is it based on amount of action or amount lost?
-In casino 4- if you buy in for €1000 do they give you €1100 in promo chips and zero "regular" chips"?

correct 25 euro and 10 euro in straight up number and multiplied amount in other bets like dousin /zero play/black -red …..

"a lot of money " meaning losing 500euro and above

correct 1100 in promo and zero regular + I forgot to mension for 50 euro slots machines they give more 25 euro in credits to play


I would like to ask from the admin of this forum to move my thread to some private sector if they judge so

also if someone wants to pm me for more details or ideas or team up my email is [email protected]

thanks a lot