Early Surrender House Edge Doubt

[arunk8186]

Hi Friends,
One of the Casinos nearby allow Early Surrender against dealer Ten (not against Ace though) but late surrender is not allowed against any card.

Wanted to know if the above is advantageous compared to tables that allow only late surrender. Any comments would be helpful please. Thanks.

[Freightman]

Your question, interpreted literally, doesn’t make sense.

By definition, if you have ES10, you automatically have LS on every dealer upcard (except ace). Yes, ES10 is very advantageous.

Now, the way your question is phrased, you’re saying that surrender is only allowed against dealer 10, not any other card. In other words, a no surrender game except when dealer has 10 up.

So, if the typical 6d subject game with h17, das, da2, rsa, sp3, has he of .5 with eS10 and about .63 no surrender, then he with rule above would be somewhere in the middle. Still advantageous to a degree, but not nearly as advantageous as eS10.

[PinkChip]

Your question, interpreted literally, doesn’t make sense.

By definition, if you have ES10, you automatically have LS on every dealer upcard (except ace). Yes, ES10 is very advantageous.

Now, the way your question is phrased, you’re saying that surrender is only allowed against dealer 10, not any other card. In other words, a no surrender game except when dealer has 10 up.

I also was immediately confused by your post. ES10 means you may only surrender versus dealer Ten, so why should you be able to LS versus every dealer upcard?

[Freightman]

I also was immediately confused by your post. ES10 means you may only surrender versus dealer Ten, so why should you be able to LS versus every dealer upcard?

ES10 means you get to surrender against 10 before dealer peak (hole card game) or against 10 before play is started (no hole card game), both scenarios meaning that scenarios allowing surrender before dealer having a bj is known. So, the rest of your query is meaningless.

[DSchles]

"Your question, interpreted literally, doesn’t make sense."

Of course it does.

"By definition, if you have ES10, you automatically have LS on every dealer upcard (except ace)."

Since when???

This is probably the first time I've ever read a post of yours that is 100% gibberish! What ARE you thinking?

The OP plays (obviously) a NHC game with ES10. You can't ES vs. the ace, and you can't surrender whatsoever against any other dealer upcard (no matter what you say to the contrary!). Why on earth wouldn't you consider that a perfectly valid set of rules??

In any event, for the OP, if you want an answer from someone who is sober (!), ES10 is worth 0.241% to the basic strategist playing against a 6-deck game. It is, of course, worth much more to a counter. LS, on the other hand, is worth only 0.073% for 6-deck S17 and 0.088% for H17, and so is far inferior to ES10.

Don

[Freightman]

"Your question, interpreted literally, doesn’t make sense."

Of course it does.

"By definition, if you have ES10, you automatically have LS on every dealer upcard (except ace)."

Since when???

This is probably the first time I've ever read a post of yours that is 100%! What ARE you thinking?

The OP plays (obviously) a NHC game with ES10. You can't ES vs. the ace, and you can't surrender whatsoever against any other dealer upcard (no matter what you say to the contrary!). Why on earth wouldn't you consider that a perfectly valid set of rules??

In any event, for the OP, if you want an answer from someone who is sober (!), ES10 is worth 0.241% to the basic strategist playing against a 6-deck game. It is, of course, worth much more to a counter. LS, on the other hand, is worth only 0.073% for 6-deck S17 and 0.088% for H17, and so is far inferior to ES10.

Don

I’ll rethink it, possibly a contradiction in terms. In any event, I’ll not respond further so that my dedicated fan base can call me an idiot and throw some unhelpfuls out. Mind you, this response should garner a couple.

[Freightman]

I’ll rethink it, possibly a contradiction in terms. In any event, I’ll not respond further so that my dedicated fan base can call me an idiot and throw some unhelpfuls out. Mind you, this response should garner a couple.

Just one so far. A couple of more please.

[Freightman]

"Your question, interpreted literally, doesn’t make sense."

Of course it does.

"By definition, if you have ES10, you automatically have LS on every dealer upcard (except ace)."

Since when???
Time immemorial

This is probably the first time I've ever read a post of yours that is 100% gibberish! What ARE you thinking?
Hmmm

The OP plays (obviously) a NHC game with ES10
ES10 also allows surrender against 10 in a hole card game. I play that in several stores.

You can't ES vs. the ace,
You can, but not in an ES10 game. You need full early surrender.qqq Mind you, the hole card stores that I play allow LS ace (after peek)

and you can't surrender whatsoever against any other dealer upcard (no matter what you say to the contrary!). Why on earth wouldn't you consider that a perfectly valid set of rules??

Never seen a ridiculous rule set where ES10 only is offered, without the ability to surrender against any other dealer upcard (except ace). If it is available, certainly not common

In any event, for the OP, if you want an answer from someone who is sober (!), ES10 is worth 0.241% to the basic strategist playing against a 6-deck game. It is, of course, worth much more to a counter. LS, on the other hand, is worth only 0.073% for 6-deck S17 and 0.088% for H17, and so is far inferior to ES10.

Don’t drink, don’t do drugs - thank you.

Don

See above for my notes.

[PitBoss321]

In any event, for the OP, if you want an answer from someone who is sober (!), ES10 is worth 0.241% to the basic strategist playing against a 6-deck game. It is, of course, worth much more to a counter. LS, on the other hand, is worth only 0.073% for 6-deck S17 and 0.088% for H17, and so is far inferior to ES10.

Don

Does ES10 change any basic strategy plays? For reference, my city has 6deck H17 DAS DOA RSA to 4 hands ES10

Thanks!

[DSchles]

Does ES10 change any basic strategy plays? For reference, my city has 6deck H17 DAS DOA RSA to 4 hands ES10

Thanks!

Of course it changes basic strategy. ES all 14s (including 7,7), 15, and all 16s (including 8,8).

Don

[Captain Colon]

Does ES10 change any basic strategy plays? For reference, my city has 6deck H17 DAS DOA RSA to 4 hands ES10

Thanks!

What city? Decent rules!

[DSchles]

OK, I edited my post. The word "gibberish" was missing after 100%. :-)

Don

[Freightman]

OK, I edited my post. The word "gibberish" was missing after 100%. :-)

Don

Thank you. That should assist me in my endeavour.