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    Crazy Dude Predicting Specific Cards

    So my husband and I are super new to blackjack, so new that we’ve only been playing a couple weeks. We were practicing our card counting tonight when this dude sits down, and I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure he started with $100. So he starts being really loud, causing somewhat of a scene while also predicting cards as the dealer was about to deal them. Sometimes he was off by one with the card he predicted and was dealt, but other times the card he was shouting out landed one spot down from him. We noticed also he was doing it when the count was low and yet he was winning. He also managed to bet when he got the lucky ladies side bet. Not only that but he was pretending to not know how much the chips were worth along with drinking and saying, “it’s not a calculation, it’s gambling.”. Oh and he tried to put the cut card like ten cards from the back but the dealer wouldn’t let him so made him cut it again. I just thought it was odd he was pocketing chips in a sneaky way while placing his bigger bets while the count was negative, and sometimes also pretending to get phone calls. From what I could catch, he made at least $700 but could have easily been more.

    What in in the world was this guy doing? Did he have a counting system or was he just insane?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PowPoop View Post
    So my husband and I are super new to blackjack, so new that we’ve only been playing a couple weeks. We were practicing our card counting tonight when this dude sits down, and I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure he started with $100. So he starts being really loud, causing somewhat of a scene while also predicting cards as the dealer was about to deal them. Sometimes he was off by one with the card he predicted and was dealt, but other times the card he was shouting out landed one spot down from him. We noticed also he was doing it when the count was low and yet he was winning. He also managed to bet when he got the lucky ladies side bet. Not only that but he was pretending to not know how much the chips were worth along with drinking and saying, “it’s not a calculation, it’s gambling.”. Oh and he tried to put the cut card like ten cards from the back but the dealer wouldn’t let him so made him cut it again. I just thought it was odd he was pocketing chips in a sneaky way while placing his bigger bets while the count was negative, and sometimes also pretending to get phone calls. From what I could catch, he made at least $700 but could have easily been more.

    What in in the world was this guy doing? Did he have a counting system or was he just insane?
    His name is Freightman!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    His name is Freightman!
    Oh wow! Didn’t think someone would know exactly who I was talking about. Well, I suppose novices like us wouldn’t understand what he was doing. Maybe we should get the membership and pm him because he sure put on a show!

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    Wasn’t me. Don’t drink much. Will fool around a lot and entertain the critters. I’m simply far too polished to act Garish, crude and impolite. If you didn’t see him utilize the regaled FBM ASC, (advanced ace side count), then it definitely was not me.

    In any event, your describing someone who is shuffletracking (either tracking slugs if cards or specific cards), ratholing (hiding chips to decrease his win or increase his loss to mask his threat to the house), wonging (not play during periods if player disadvantage).

    One thing that does describe this guy as a shuffle tracker, is that he occasionally increased his bets in negative counts. That could be explained that despite the negative count, that if he was shuffletrack8ng, that he was in a positive slug. Thus would indicate a hand shuffled game.
    Last edited by Freightman; 12-02-2019 at 12:08 PM. Reason: To correct a word which altered meaning

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    His name is Freightman!
    I note that Zee also has his dedicated fan base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Wasn’t me. Don’t drink much. Will fool around a lot and entertain the critters. I’m simply far too polished to act Garish, crude and impolite. If you didn’t see him utilize the regaled FBM ASC, (advanced ace side count), then it definitely was not me.

    In any event, your describing someone who is shuffletracking (either tracking slugs if cards or specific cards), ratholing (hiding chips to decrease his win or increase his loss to mask his threat to the house), wonging (not play during periods if player disadvantage).

    One thing that does describe this guy as a shuffle tracker, is that he occasionally increased his bets in negative counts. That could be explained that despite the negative count, that if he was shuffletrack8ng, that he was in a positive slug. Thus would indicate a hand shuffled game.
    Its hard for us to know if he was using a side count because we literally found out what card counting was 4 or 5 days ago. He wasn’t rude either, just loud and joking. Also, he was drinking Coronas, so are you sure it wasn’t you? We were reading through your other posts and based on where you’ve visited, we thought surely it could be you. If not, oh well. I wonder who he was. It felt like we were in a movie watching his act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PowPoop View Post
    Its hard for us to know if he was using a side count because we literally found out what card counting was 4 or 5 days ago. He wasn’t rude either, just loud and joking. Also, he was drinking Coronas, so are you sure it wasn’t you? We were reading through your other posts and based on where you’ve visited, we thought surely it could be you. If not, oh well. I wonder who he was. It felt like we were in a movie watching his act.
    I’ll only play specific lower limit tables, usually play higher limit. My main hangouts don’t offer lucky ladies (very countable), Don’t drink Coronas - loud sometimes, but not obnoxious, joking frequently. I can be quite entertaining to watch.

    I’m curious (and fascinated). You’ve been counting for 4 to 5 days? Wow, I’m (seriously) impressed. What count system, what’s your background in researching counting, and how are you making out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    I’ll only play specific lower limit tables, usually play higher limit. My main hangouts don’t offer lucky ladies (very countable), Don’t drink Coronas - loud sometimes, but not obnoxious, joking frequently. I can be quite entertaining to watch.

    I’m curious (and fascinated). You’ve been counting for 4 to 5 days? Wow, I’m (seriously) impressed. What count system, what’s your background in researching counting, and how are you making out?
    Yeah this was a lower limit table. Maybe one day we will find out who he was

    i stumbled upon counting a few days ago after going to a shitty casino that had a CSM and we lost more than usual, granted we’d only been playing the game a couple weeks. I started looking into what that machine was because I’d never seen it. Well, while I was doing it, I stumbled upon blackjack apprenticeship and my entire view on gambling was transformed. I started reading about hi lo and then I showed my husband. I was like ok, maybe we don’t actually have to be autistic savants like in the movie Rain Man to count cards! So we started learning it right there and then while also drilling basic strategy into our heads. We’ve only practiced twice, and the first night I probably got lucky when I made out with triple what I started with. Last night I lost a third of that but I know I was making mistakes because I’m new, still trying to remember the 18 deviations, and that counter we were watching was so fascinating... not to mention the fact that even if we were already playing perfect, we know you don’t always win.

    I also want to say learning this whole process has made me despise the casinos. When that guy was winning last night, the employees looked so pissed. How do these casinos buy these pit bosses/other employee’s loyalty like that? I just kept thinking ok, if I worked here, I’d be thinking yay, take the casinos money!!! I was so disappointed in their behavior and it’s sad they only want losing players. Surely the amount of losing players more than make up for the advantaged players, so they’re just greedy. Also, I made a mistake by following the guy to get his number because we both wanted to see if we could get some tips out of him (before realizing his system is probably way too hard for us newbies), and I noticed a manager or someone was following trying to listen, so I shut up. Sorry to ramble, but it was so sad and interesting to me to witness these employees trying to act like the CIA because the dude was winning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PowPoop View Post
    Yeah this was a lower limit table. Maybe one day we will find out who he was

    i stumbled upon counting a few days ago after going to a shitty casino that had a CSM and we lost more than usual, granted we’d only been playing the game a couple weeks. I started looking into what that machine was because I’d never seen it. Well, while I was doing it, I stumbled upon blackjack apprenticeship and my entire view on gambling was transformed. I started reading about hi lo and then I showed my husband. I was like ok, maybe we don’t actually have to be autistic savants like in the movie Rain Man to count cards! So we started learning it right there and then while also drilling basic strategy into our heads. We’ve only practiced twice, and the first night I probably got lucky when I made out with triple what I started with. Last night I lost a third of that but I know I was making mistakes because I’m new, still trying to remember the 18 deviations, and that counter we were watching was so fascinating... not to mention the fact that even if we were already playing perfect, we know you don’t always win.

    I also want to say learning this whole process has made me despise the casinos. When that guy was winning last night, the employees looked so pissed. How do these casinos buy these pit bosses/other employee’s loyalty like that? I just kept thinking ok, if I worked here, I’d be thinking yay, take the casinos money!!! I was so disappointed in their behavior and it’s sad they only want losing players. Surely the amount of losing players more than make up for the advantaged players, so they’re just greedy. Also, I made a mistake by following the guy to get his number because we both wanted to see if we could get some tips out of him (before realizing his system is probably way too hard for us newbies), and I noticed a manager or someone was following trying to listen, so I shut up. Sorry to ramble, but it was so sad and interesting to me to witness these employees trying to act like the CIA because the dude was winning.
    I continue to be impressed by your commentary.

    You don’t need to be a savant to win. Further, 2 weeks in and learning the I18 is impressive. Of course you’ll make mistakes at this stage. Just play low limit, limit your spread, understand that you’re not seasoned enough to be a winning player yet, think of t as low cost tuition.

    Just keep asking questions. I’m not likely going to hang out here much longer, so I wish you luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    I continue to be impressed by your commentary.

    You don’t need to be a savant to win. Further, 2 weeks in and learning the I18 is impressive. Of course you’ll make mistakes at this stage. Just play low limit, limit your spread, understand that you’re not seasoned enough to be a winning player yet, think of t as low cost tuition.

    Just keep asking questions. I’m not likely going to hang out here much longer, so I wish you luck.
    Yes, noted, and we will keep doing just that! Also do you mean you will no longer post on these forums?

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