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    6 deck shoe rules

    I have found a casino that has spread a 6 deck shoe... 4.5 to 5.0 pen, h17, doa2, ndas, split 4 times, no resplit on AA, no surrender. The minimum is $1.00, max is $1,000...Here is the twist...It pays even money on blackjack from $1.00 up to $9.00, and from $10.00 on up Blackjack pays 3 to 2....At 1st I wrinkled my nose at this game because of the $1 to $9 even money on blackjack aspect, but then I started looking at the $1.00 min bet as a cheap way to wong (without actually wong-ing at all), even tho my $1.00 bet only paid even money for a BJ. (I double down on the $1.00 Blackjack)..There doesn't seem to be any heat for spreading from $1.00 up to $40.00, at least so far....

    I would be interested to hear what others think about the table conditions, namely the even money on BJ from $1.00 up to $9.00?.....Thank you for any and all input.....ronster
    Last edited by Ronster; 11-21-2019 at 12:52 PM.

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    I feel like this is a question for Don. But if were going to play this game, I would base my spread off a $10 unit. Example... If your top bet was like 2x150 or something... I would bet maybe $10 in neutral counts and spread up to 2x150, then Wong out when necessary. If you're heads up and you don't care about heat, then I'd probably burn through the negatives by playing 1 hand of $1. Obviously the HE is going to be terrible in this situation, but you're only getting hit with that terrible HE on $1 bets. Of course, even though you'd only have a $150 top bet x2, that normally wouldn't get a second look in a lot of places (except maybe Vegas), but your spread would essentially be 1 to 300, and that would probably generate heat lol. There's several ways to skin a cat. Just do whatever aligns with your goals.

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    Hi Ryemo....I do in fact worry about heat as this joint is in my backyard. I've been playing here for many many years and don't want to blow it. So far so good, I haven't lost a spot in 20 years of playing, and I play about 4 times a week. Mostly I play SD & DD, but this newly spread shoe game intrigues me...Thanks for your input....

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    Even money on BJs costs about -2.27 so we are looking at a 3% house edge on $1 = 3 cents or a .5% house edge on $10 = 5 cents


    so actually yeah u r better off, and it is more like 2.8 cents even

    significantly less variance as well

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    I am not into calculating (cause I dont know how) but I would play all, play $1 on one spot on all neutral or negative count, move up to $5 on TC1, $20 on TC2 and $40 on all TC+3 and above counts (I suspect you don’t want to bet over $40, maybe your BR is small).

    I think you would do great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    I am not into calculating (cause I dont know how) but I would play all, play $1 on one spot on all neutral or negative count, move up to $5 on TC1, $20 on TC2 and $40 on all TC+3 and above counts (I suspect you don’t want to bet over $40, maybe your BR is small).

    I think you would do great.
    I don't see any reason to bet $5 at TC1. First of all, he barely has an edge (if at all at TC 1 on a standard 3:2 6D game), but if he's getting even money at a $5 bet, then he definitely can't overcome the HE. So either bet $10 at TC1, or continue betting $1 until you get to a True 2 and spread upwards from there.

    Aside from that, I have no suggestions in terms of what his spread should look like or what top bets he should employ because I don't know anything about Ronster, other than where he plays.

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    In reply to your "$5" bet suggestion, that wouldn't fit at all as it's an even money payoff on BJ up to $9 bucks. I never bet more than a buck unless I ramp up....With the table conditions I play, I overcome the house edge and achieve a 1/2% edge at TC +3. I then bet $10 and parlay if I win, then parlay again if the C still warrants it....Not having a problem with my bet spread, but am concerned about the big % loss on the 1$ BJ payoffs, as well as the rotten h17 and ndas rules........So far tho it's been golden....

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    Ryemo is the closest. Everyone is off. Suggest you read OP more carefully, reevaluate house edge, redo ramp, and ask OP, for interests sake, if he can bet over 40 - he says he limits to 40 due to heat, which doesn’t make sense at $40.

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    I never said I limit my bet to $40 bucks because of heat. I merely meant that-that has been my max bet so far at this experimental stage....When you said everyone was off on their calculating, I hope you weren't including me because I do know for a fact that with (the table conditions I described) the house edge is .783 %. Which means I need a TC of +2 to overcome that .783 % edge, and with a TC of +3 it gives me a .72% edge over the house. And that is when I jump my bet from $1 to $10 and on up from there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronster View Post
    I never said I limit my bet to $40 bucks because of heat. I merely meant that-that has been my max bet so far at this experimental stage....When you said everyone was off on their calculating, I hope you weren't including me because I do know for a fact that with (the table conditions I described) the house edge is .783 %. Which means I need a TC of +2 to overcome that .783 % edge, and with a TC of +3 it gives me a .72% edge over the house. And that is when I jump my bet from $1 to $10 and on up from there...
    You were the closest of all

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    Note, the index for doubling soft twenty one is prohibitively high. It starts at +8 for 5 and 6 respectively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meistro123 View Post
    Note, the index for doubling soft twenty one is prohibitively high. It starts at +8 for 5 and 6 respectively.
    Rethink that absurdity on a $1 bet even money BJ with a 40-1 spread. Any typos?

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    Right you are, and that's when I do it....But in fact, most of the ploppies do it at all times just for shits n giggles because of the even money payoff aspect....

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