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    Europe Casinos

    Hi

    Can anyone tell me which casinos in europe still use the shoe game and not the CSM?

    Hope to hear from you soon.

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    Many casinos in Europe still use shoes to deal BJ. As you may know limits are lower generally, hours of operation are tighter and pen is mediocre but there are still good games out there. Unfortunately I won’t tell you where they are, but through some online scouting you can probably find where they will likely be.

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    Well that did not help much.
    How can I find them online? It seems to me that no casino website says “we are dealing from a shoe not a CSM”

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    Why would anyone offer you this information ? There are also plenty of European csm games that can be beaten but no one's gonna tell you where they are either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ummagumma View Post
    Why would anyone offer you this information ? There are also plenty of European csm games that can be beaten but no one's gonna tell you where they are either.
    1.) I have never seen or heard of any shoe game in Western Europe since interested in this in 2008, so I think if there were that many shoe games in Europe, there would be not such a great number of posts and threads about this subject. It might be different in Eastern Europe but there are many rumours that you might be cheated there.

    2.) If there are really beatable CSMs, then I wonder why every American BJ advantage player on this forum seems to ignore them completely, also in literature (e.g. Norm's book).

    If here are hidden opportunities or unpublishhed strategies out there, I understand why little or nothing is exposed here. But obviously card counting, ST and HCing is not completely ignored here, so there is a gap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PinkChip View Post
    1.) I have never seen or heard of any shoe game in Western Europe since interested in this in 2008, so I think if there were that many shoe games in Europe, there would be not such a great number of posts and threads about this subject. It might be different in Eastern Europe but there are many rumours that you might be cheated there.

    2.) If there are really beatable CSMs, then I wonder why every American BJ advantage player on this forum seems to ignore them completely, also in literature (e.g. Norm's book).

    If here are hidden opportunities or unpublishhed strategies out there, I understand why little or nothing is exposed here. But obviously card counting, ST and HCing is not completely ignored here, so there is a gap.
    Perhaps you need to dig a little deeper. The UK, where I'm based, has a number of shoe games for starters and beatable CSMs are really out there in a couple of European countries if you know what you're looking for. I don't really care if you don't believe me. Do you really think everything that is known about blackjack is or has been published here ? LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by ummagumma View Post
    Perhaps you need to dig a little deeper. The UK, where I'm based, has a number of shoe games for starters and beatable CSMs are really out there in a couple of European countries if you know what you're looking for. I don't really care if you don't believe me. Do you really think everything that is known about blackjack is or has been published here ? LOL
    Ok, Britain is probably different from continental Europe. Still too far from me or several other posters in Germany or whatsoever, except if you are travelling alot and have travel expenses anyway. Next time I come to UK (if it still exists ;-), I will look for that. Recently I was on vacation in Greece, but there wasn't even a casino on the whole island. I had checked it beforehand.

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    I have never seen or heard of any shoe game in Western Europe since interested in this in 2008,
    While I haven't been there, I read there were a number of shoe games in the south of france.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meistro123 View Post
    While I haven't been there, I read there were a number of shoe games in the south of france.
    That sounds interesting. I was there for vacation several times, but unfortunately that was in 2001, 2002 and 2003, years before I started with blackjack. Want to go there again anyway and look for that. From internet forums, I have the impression that France and Spain (e.g. Barcelona) have only CSMs. I was in Spanish island of Tenerife in 2010, only CSMs. The same in Venice in 2008, and in Davos (Switzerland) in 2009 (an internet photo showed that at the time of opening the casino in 2002, there was a shoe game there, but this had changed afterwards). And many websites of German and Swiss casinos show CSMs too. Recently I was on the Greek island of Crete, but there was not even any casino there.
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