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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    So with that type of thinking, I assume you would have no problem with any pro card counter making the decision to retire from that profession and then take a job working in casino surveillance somewhere.
    I worked for 8 different employers over the last 37 years before retiring. Employers were in 8 different states. One looks for jobs in fields where they could use their experiences. One looks for better paying but less stressful jobs.

    I dont see why a persons allegiance to AP’s should be greater than the needs of their family. A time comes when an AP might want to settle down in one city and a job in a casino (where else could his past be of help?) is about the only job where his experience helps. Don’t former users of drugs work as undercover cops or counselors?

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    "Newer players who are learning the game should follow the words of the above quote. True long term success at blackjack is accomplished through grinding away while blending in like any other guy, only you are always constantly learning. If you are looking for respect in blackjack among your peers you have the wrong idea. What you are earning (kept to yourself) is all the respect that you need."

    Bosox............Lot of truth here. But it does help to network with fellow AP'S to learn and to play. Not just count score from your winnings, though that is what everyone wants eventually. However, I don't know what the value was in burning a dealer and game (just because others were taking advantage of it). I do understand from her blog that she endeared herself to the casino management for awhile but to what end? And I see she hasn't been back as promised to continue discussion on workshop My issue with a lot of so called posting and public knowledge is that it occurs on the free forum portion of this board. Why not join; it's a pittance; and post in the more private section. I guaranty a lot of information wouldn't be as "public" in my opinion...........but that's just two cents and a thought. I sure notice there is not as much discussion on the pay portion of the boards. But still good info. Maybe I'm naive but if you want to share some info that you don't think should be public, make it on the private or pay areas.



    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    So with that type of thinking, I assume you would have no problem with any pro card counter making the decision to retire from that profession and then take a job working in casino surveillance somewhere.
    As some have done. You don't think that former professional counters have not started working for casinos? Some of the more famous ones have for sure........Max Rubin, Elliot Jacobsen, etc. But you still can learn from them. Can't begrudge them making money in a capitalistic society when they have the requisite knowledge or connections. Personally, I'm not sure I would do the same thing but I have had a good friend who was a counter that changed professions and worked his way up through the ranks of Vegas casinos. He was a great source of info, also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MJGolf View Post
    Why not join; it's a pittance; and post in the more private section.
    I half to laugh at myself here. I still pay all my bills through the US Mail Service, and I do not purchase anything online. My Verite software was purchased directly from contacting Norm through his site. I asked him about the pay section and he told me himself that it was a little slow anyway. I figured that since I never understood the rules of the board completely I would get in less trouble staying on the free site.

    Quote Originally Posted by MJGolf View Post
    But it does help to network with fellow AP'S to learn and to play.
    I agree with this and actually did belong to a private board for at least a decade with ten to twelve players most located on the east coast. One member a very knowledgable man recently passed away his name was Jake Smallwood who I believe lived in Canada at the time. Most everyone got multi barrings and inevitably we more or less all lost contact. Now I just play part-time when I can find the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
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    Sorry BoSox, couldn't resist. ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    However in rxgamble's case, they didn't kill the game by hitting it hard which I have no trouble with anyone doing. They actually told the dealer she was flashing and ruined it for everyone. I think that is a big difference.
    I can completely understand why this would be done. When the casino realized what was happening, most likely everyone that had been playing that dealer and making lots of money would have been 86'd and not just the sloppy newbies that were too obvious. By having the dealer fix the situation, they saved her job and protected a lot of AP's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    So with that type of thinking, I assume you would have no problem with any pro card counter making the decision to retire from that profession and then take a job working in casino surveillance somewhere.
    My comment doesn't equate to your theoretical. And fwiw I think a long time pro turning to the dark side isn't cool. I think a player whose predetermined purpose in the AP community is to take knowledge from its members and then turn to the dark side is unethical.

    Anyway I was googling myself and this popped up. I said I'd return, what does everyone want to talk about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by houyi View Post
    I'm not saying what she did is a good thing; from the few times I actually met rx, I didn't even like her. I was playing in a shop I had been milking a long time and one of rx's partners sat in my game without asking. I didn't get upset and instead shared information with them. The next time I saw them in a game I sat in the game and rx whined and called me an asshole. Like I said, she's got a mercenary attitude. But just because you dislike someone or you think something they are doing is wrong for you, doesn't mean what they are doing is objectively wrong or they are objectively a bad person. People can hold a lot of personal beliefs that they don't want enforce on others. Just because her workshop will make games worse and just because this is the first time (that I know of) that someone has decided to hold a workshop about HC, doesn't mean it was an objectively immoral thing to do. It was bound to happen. HC games have been getting worse because the information is more available now. There was always going to be a point where there was more profit to be had selling the info than keeping it a loose secret. Even GWAE is starting to talk more openly about it whereas a few years ago I think they would talk about it more guarded language. I'm sure the BJ apprenticeship guys have made games overall worse, and to the best of my knowledge, they don't seem to be bashed here.
    My "partner" on that trip lied about his interactions with you. I was visibly tilted but I don't remember calling you names.

    You asked out loud if the side bet the dealer was mis-paying us was good and you jumped on and bet more than my BP was, which was already significant. That stuff brings heat to everyone so even if he didn't straight up lie about you, I would have been annoyed. I don't think that makes me a mercenary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rxgamble View Post
    My "partner" on that trip lied about his interactions with you. I was visibly tilted but I don't remember calling you names.

    You asked out loud if the side bet the dealer was mis-paying us was good and you jumped on and bet more than my BP was, which was already significant. That stuff brings heat to everyone so even if he didn't straight up lie about you, I would have been annoyed. I don't think that makes me a mercenary.
    Either you are confusing me with someone else in a similar situation, or you are purposefully lying to make yourself look better in this situation. But you absolutely called me an asshole and I bet an equal amount to your BP, which is what he did when he went into my game without asking if it was cool. I could bring up some more specific details that would probably make you look even worse, but I’m content to let sleeping dogs lie if you don’t try to push the issue further

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    If you didn't fire more than my BP or didn't ask out loud if the dealer mis-paying a side bet was good, then I clearly have you confused with someone else. I apologize. I've been playing a really long time. More than one person has jumped on my game and I've played with more than one shitty partner. I can't remember them all.

    If I was purposefully lying to make myself look good I would have come up with something way better. I'm not here to argue with you and at this point I have no idea who you are or when we played together. I take the direction of my "You asked out loud..." comment back.
    Last edited by rxgamble; 01-04-2021 at 08:57 PM. Reason: added an apology
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    this topic is so old!

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