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    Providing Your ID

    With regard to providing your ID to casino personnel, the adage in the AP community always echos, "Always play unrated; never give up your ID".

    I am plagued with baby face and am constantly carded before even sitting down at a table. Sometimes its casino security personnel randomly walking about the floor, or at the cage when cashing out chips (even at small denominations).

    I made a thread a few years ago about this issue, more specifically about worrying about providing ID. But what I want to know is essentially reduced to, "At what point is your information available to the casino?" I want to know at what specific time are you now considered "in the system" outside of a floorman swiping your card in a machine or when surrendering your ID when cashing out chips.

    Further specifically, do surveillance cameras have the resolution to pick up the fine print on your ID when you toss it on the table felt? Or when a floorperson simply looks at it anywhere on the casino floor?

    Appreciate all comments. Thanks

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    I'm in the same boat and have the same questions, excited to see some insight

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlayTheSystem View Post
    I'm in the same boat and have the same questions, excited to see some insight
    We’ve all made mistakes. Here’s the point. The comps are nice and are an expense reducer when you’re starting out. The problem is, assuming you continue to improve and grow your bankroll, is that when you move up in stakes, the critters have Your personal info = and the few bucks you saved as a newbie, will cost you big time, when you’re not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    We’ve all made mistakes. Here’s the point. The comps are nice and are an expense reducer when you’re starting out. The problem is, assuming you continue to improve and grow your bankroll, is that when you move up in stakes, the critters have Your personal info = and the few bucks you saved as a newbie, will cost you big time, when you’re not.
    The above quote is a great post and puts reality into all of this. When the time comes that a player wants to move up in stakes the last thing they need is a prior history of themselves that was brought on by being previously rated to get free burgers while playing for nickel play.

    In my mind, I still feel that new players starting out with smaller bankrolls can do better EV wise by doing plenty of wonging out, especially if playing shoe games. Now if you play rated at these small stakes, it is not conducive to frequent wonging as you will become a nuisance to the pit personnel. So subconsciously, while being rated you may become a little apprehensive about changing tables or pits at times and instead remain playing when you should already be at another table or looking for one. Sort of gun shy and while doing so you are now more than paying for your food whether you realize it or not.
    Last edited by BoSox; 10-27-2019 at 06:56 PM.

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    In your case you will have to show ID. Grow a beard.

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    Bumping the thread in hope for an answer if anyone knows.

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    Have you tried keeping a chip inventory and bringing chips to the table instead of buying in? Even if you have by bringing say, a sole black chip to the table, you never know and may be asked less for ID by bringing a black, green, two reds, two whites and a half dollar. Pain in the ass, but it may make a difference unless the store is so small that they already know that you just showed up and didn`t come from another table. Anything subtle may help, like dressing older. Also, dealers are probably less likely to follow procedures like that when the PB isn`t standing right next to them. I`m no surveillance expert, but from what I know, it depends on how good the cameras are on whether or not they can see everything on your ID when you show it. Even if they are good enough though, the person holding it still has to hold it still enough for them to be able to read it.

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    Split, thanks for the reply. I've tried your advice on several occasions with mixed success. Sometimes regardless of chip denomination, they'll ask for ID. Other times, when I try to exchange black chips for change.

    But again, the crux of my question isn't necessarily related to giving up ID. It's a question of "when" is your ID considered inside the casino system? To reiterate, are EITS sophisticated enough to pull this information if a random floorperson cards you while you're roaming around, or, is it when your ID is laying on the felt/cashier-cage, and so on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RUMIYODIN View Post
    Split, thanks for the reply. I've tried your advice on several occasions with mixed success. Sometimes regardless of chip denomination, they'll ask for ID. Other times, when I try to exchange black chips for change.

    But again, the crux of my question isn't necessarily related to giving up ID. It's a question of "when" is your ID considered inside the casino system? To reiterate, are EITS sophisticated enough to pull this information if a random floorperson cards you while you're roaming around, or, is it when your ID is laying on the felt/cashier-cage, and so on.
    Its never been a big deal to me having a Players Card. Eventually, it landed me into a data base after 5 years of playing with a card. Even landing in the OSN has not affected me, I still have gotten comped rooms in Vegas and MS and I still play.

    Perhaps, if you intend to play much higher stakes in HL rooms or camp out for hours going for big wins, or be a full time player, it might affect you. I decided a long time ago that playing higher stakes than low green or red (My max bet rarely exceeds $200) is too stressful for me. It’s (playing with card) not affected me at all.

    If I have to start all over, I would still go for a Players Card, use it more judiciously. The comps have been fantastic (I would not have taken the 3 dozen trips over the past 3 years without the free rooms, table play and dining credit) and the effects of the OSN listing has been negligible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Its never been a big deal to me having a Players Card. Eventually, it landed me into a data base after 5 years of playing with a card. Even landing in the OSN has not affected me, I still have gotten comped rooms in Vegas and MS and I still play.

    Perhaps, if you intend to play much higher stakes in HL rooms or camp out for hours going for big wins, or be a full time player, it might affect you. I decided a long time ago that playing higher stakes than low green or red (My max bet rarely exceeds $200) is too stressful for me. It’s (playing with card) not affected me at all.

    If I have to start all over, I would still go for a Players Card, use it more judiciously. The comps have been fantastic (I would not have taken the 3 dozen trips over the past 3 years without the free rooms, table play and dining credit) and the effects of the OSN listing has been negligible.
    Without prying too much, what has been your experience with heat/backoffs red-chipping with a player’s card? Could you play without bother or did you get some heat/countermeasures?

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    The Players Card reduces heat significantly. I think the pit leaves the decision to higher ups, simply record your coming and going.

    I never got backed off till I started betting low greens, increase my max bet to $200. It does not mean you won’t get backed off. A lot of other factors besides betting reds are involved. I suspect age, profession, betting levels, spreads, act etc, etc.

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    Zee the guru!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    The Players Card reduces heat significantly. I think the pit leaves the decision to higher ups, simply record your coming and going.

    I never got backed off till I started betting low greens, increase my max bet to $200. It does not mean you won’t get backed off. A lot of other factors besides betting reds are involved. I suspect age, profession, betting levels, spreads, act etc, etc.
    Your advice about player’s cards has been great and I’m going to grab one. I’ll let you know my experience some time ahead. As always, I appreciate it and good luck out there. I’ve probably asked this before a number of times but I don’t have the greatest of memories and I want to be set to go the next time I play with my card. In your opinion, if I play 4 to 5 hour sessions weekly spreading to a max bet of $80x2, should I use any playing or betting cover?

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