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    Day 3, Las Vegas

    I regret starting the thread on my current Las Vegas trip but since I had posted the first 2 days, the first being very successful, the second, where I ended losing $600 but still was up $350 for the day, I will try and finish it. I leave tomorrow.

    here are my notes for day 3..

    The loss last night, $600 bothered me. Called home and the calls did not go well. As a result, sleep was bad. Woke up with no motivation to go out. Decided to stay in home casino. Around 11:00 a.m. went down to casino to play. Great DD game but variance was not with me. Spent 2 hours going up and mostly down. Lost another $700.


    Returned to room, tried to nap but the $700 loss in the morning and the $600 loss last night stung. Went back down at 4:00, the pit crew had felt sorry for me earlier, I lost some more, another $600 and the pit, took pity, suggested I take a break. At my home casino, I had lost $1900, some $1300 today. I forced myself to leave because I could not win back that amount without making it obvious I was counting.


    Went driving for the first time today..late afternoon...my win amount for the trip had gone way down. Drove north and played at a great local casino. I sat down and suddenly the variance was on my side. I won $1000 in about 35 minutes. Since I was playing rated, had to make it a quick session.


    I was still down for the day but feeling better after the win. Went to a casino on Rampart. I played the DD game, $25 minimum. The heat got heavy cause the pit called out “Checks Play” at any $100 bet. I went down $600 but clawed back.. With pit suddenly paying attention, I kept my max bet to $100, sometimes reducing bet to $75 from $100 even as the count went down, played $100 at all TC above 2. Eventually, an hour or so later, left up $150.


    Still really not in the mood, now even slightly down for the day, I went back to home casino. It’s 11:00 p.m., but I thought I would make one more attempt to win, given I had lost the three sessions I played today. I sat and played yet again, went down $300, climbed back and won’t $550. One guy who joined me at the table got really pissed at me. Count was tC-5 in second to last round of DD, he had $50 bet and a $25 poker bet. Dealer had a 6 up. He stood on his 14, I had a ten and a two. I hit, busted with a 10, and the dealer made a 5 card 19, would have busted if I had stood. He started muttering “idiot” “fuckin learn to play”, etc. he was loud enough that I retorted I was at table before him, I was going to hit against a 12 or 13, he could move if he wanted. He quieted down. Despite winning 10:1 bet on ties with dealer twice with $25 getting him $250, he lost the whole stack.


    Well, the last night is here. I have tomorrow morning before I head to airport around 3:00 p.m. first day, I won $2000, second day, $350 and another $350 today. I am tempted to not play at all tomorrow, preserve my win but let’s see. I will post specific session results on my last posting.

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    I wish I could understand you better. You've been playing a game for years, where, at the very best, if a session is longer than an hour, you might win 55-60% of your "sessions." So, you -- and everyone else on the planet-- lose 40% or 45% of all the sessions you play. In other words, the most common occurrence imaginable. And yet, you repeatedly write about how losing ANY session "bothers you," "upsets you," causes you to quit and go home for the day, etc. What in God's name is wrong with you? Why do you play??

    Imagine a batter who hits .333, which is wonderful, but which means that he makes out (FAILS!) two-thirds of the time, sulking, brooding, and wanting to stop playing every time he doesn't get a hit.

    You really need to ask yourself what your problem is. PLAY the goddamn game and stop caring whether you win or lose a session. You win, what, eight sessions in a row and then bitch when you lose one? Do you not understand how utterly absurd that is?

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    I wish I could understand you better. You've been playing a game for years, where, at the very best, if a session is longer than an hour, you might win 55-60% of your "sessions." So, you -- and everyone else on the planet-- lose 40% or 45% of all the sessions you play. In other words, the most common occurrence imaginable. And yet, you repeatedly write about how losing ANY session "bothers you," "upsets you," causes you to quit and go home for the day, etc. What in God's name is wrong with you? Why do you play??

    Imagine a batter who hits .333, which is wonderful, but which means that he makes out (FAILS!) two-thirds of the time, sulking, brooding, and wanting to stop playing every time he doesn't get a hit.

    You really need to ask yourself what your problem is. PLAY the goddamn game and stop caring whether you win or lose a session. You win, what, eight sessions in a row and then bitch when you lose one? Do you not understand how utterly absurd that is?

    Don
    dear Don, I wish understanding always leads to behavior change but unfortunately, a lifetime of living on the financial edge, and it’s tough to overcome it. It’s been slow in coming. When I was playing red chips and after I could accept smaller losses and wins easily, I moved up to Green chips. So now, where the wins and losses at a session/day are greater, I get troubled. Knowing myself, I keep max bets and spread very limited. My BR is now $80k plus but I still have difficulty even considering a $50 minimum game or placing higher than $150 on a single round unless TC is way up.

    I post here, and like you, others in more humiliating ways, make the point you are making and often, remembering, helps my reluctance.

    There is is a big jump from understanding to behavioral change. I am still working on it, 5 years later.

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    To me, then, the answer is playing within your comfort levels. If you can't play at the aforementioned levels without stressing over losing sessions, even when you are winning nicely, then you shouldn't play at these levels.

    It simply isn't rational to become upset every time you lose in an endeavor when losing REGULARLY is a hallmark of the game.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    To me, then, the answer is playing within your comfort levels. If you can't play at the aforementioned levels without stressing over losing sessions, even when you are winning nicely, then you shouldn't play at these levels.

    It simply isn't rational to become upset every time you lose in an endeavor when losing REGULARLY is a hallmark of the game.

    Don
    Yes, good advice. I am gradually getting comfortable with it. At one time, I would lose $500, consider quitting, take days off, slowly rebuild my confidence by leaving sessions after small $100 wins. A few small wins and I was okay. These days, I handle greater losses, fret a while and get over it. Still got to learn to become comfortable.

    At one session, count high at TC4, I lost 3 bets of $150 in a row, count still the same, I reduced my bet to $50 after 3 losses in a row and low and behold, I got a BJ. It’s an area I have to work at.

    Thanks for the feedback. Insight changes behavior slowly and I am working at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    At one session, count high at TC4, I lost 3 bets of $150 in a row, count still the same, I reduced my bet to $50 after 3 losses in a row and low and behold, I got a BJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Yes, good advice. I am gradually getting comfortable with it. At one time, I would lose $500, consider quitting, take days off, slowly rebuild my confidence by leaving sessions after small $100 wins. A few small wins and I was okay. These days, I handle greater losses, fret a while and get over it. Still got to learn to become comfortable.

    At one session, count high at TC4, I lost 3 bets of $150 in a row, count still the same, I reduced my bet to $50 after 3 losses in a row and low and behold, I got a BJ. It’s an area I have to work at.

    Thanks for the feedback. Insight changes behavior slowly and I am working at it.
    It's impossible to understand your attitude. You lose at a game that everyone loses at regularly, and you talk about rebuilding your confidence??? What can that possibly mean? That every time you lose, you think it's because you're doing something wrong? If so, there's little sense in ever playing the game. You lose big bets at high counts and decide you're too scared to lose any more? Again, you simply aren't either a) cut out to play the game, or b) not ready to play for the stakes you're currently playing.

    But one way or the other, you're really messed up.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Yes, good advice. I am gradually getting comfortable with it. At one time, I would lose $500, consider quitting, take days off, slowly rebuild my confidence by leaving sessions after small $100 wins. A few small wins and I was okay. These days, I handle greater losses, fret a while and get over it. Still got to learn to become comfortable.

    At one session, count high at TC4, I lost 3 bets of $150 in a row, count still the same, I reduced my bet to $50 after 3 losses in a row and low and behold, I got a BJ. It’s an area I have to work at.

    Thanks for the feedback. Insight changes behavior slowly and I am working at it.
    I always liked Zee and his underdog "recreational player" posts and rooted for him. I bought into his crying about being attacked, etc. But I can't even anymore.
    I mean it's nuts. As Don said much more eloquently than me...if you play this game...you are going to lose a lot of sessions/days!!! When Don tells you, you kiss his ass lol. When anyone else tells you, you say you are being "attacked". Lol
    With an 80K bankroll you could be killing this game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    Agree!! LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    I wish I could understand you better. You've been playing a game for years, where, at the very best, if a session is longer than an hour, you might win 55-60% of your "sessions." So, you -- and everyone else on the planet-- lose 40% or 45% of all the sessions you play. In other words, the most common occurrence imaginable. And yet, you repeatedly write about how losing ANY session "bothers you," "upsets you," causes you to quit and go home for the day, etc. What in God's name is wrong with you? Why do you play??

    Imagine a batter who hits .333, which is wonderful, but which means that he makes out (FAILS!) two-thirds of the time, sulking, brooding, and wanting to stop playing every time he doesn't get a hit.

    You really need to ask yourself what your problem is. PLAY the goddamn game and stop caring whether you win or lose a session. You win, what, eight sessions in a row and then bitch when you lose one? Do you not understand how utterly absurd that is?

    Don

    well said don

    it's also silly he complains about expenses but then might not play an entire day just because he's up money

    zee either you believe in the math behind counting or you don't

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    Don is correct in that I am not cut out for this game. I knew it as well, within the first couple of years. I was retiring, hated the job I used to do and no longer wanted anything to do with it. So after retirement, had no interest working as a consultant or having anything to do with my profession. What could I do? Parking cars for a car rental company or auto dealer did not appeal to me. Volunteering does not bring any money.

    So, I became a part time BJ card counter, did okay, making supplemental income playing red chips in local casinos but eventually burned those out. Traveling to play means playing at a bit higher stakes and I struggle with it. Moving to Green Chips is tough for a personality like mine.

    Slowly, but surely, I am getting better. It’s a personal challenge. I started out with $15k in a shoebox 6-7 years ago. It’s now $80k plus. I thought it was time to increase my bets from $10 to $100 max bet to now $25 to $200. With it comes larger losses in a single session and I have to not let those get me down.

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    Here's a thought and I say ythis seriously:

    Why not become a BJ dealer? It's clear you like the game and hanging out in casinos. Work part-time, a few days a week, in one of your local casinos. You'll get to play the game without any financial risk to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    Here's a thought and I say ythis seriously:

    Why not become a BJ dealer? It's clear you like the game and hanging out in casinos. Work part-time, a few days a week, in one of your local casinos. You'll get to play the game without any financial risk to you.
    Its a tough job for a tall 70+ person with previous back problems and arthiritic hands. Moreover, too many assholes yelling at dealers, being disrespectful, unpleasant etc.

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