Wonging

[Freightman]

Zee
Actually, for a person who has a bloated bankroll for the stakes played, you have a really good strategy, but a real lousy execution.

First, let’s fix your spread, especially since you have to compensate for raising your bets in a minus count. First, your game likely has a .5% edge at +1, and your jump to $25 is fine. And then, you jump to $75 at+2, which is great - you’ve tripled your bet, though you’ve only doubled your edge to 1% (helps compensate for raising bets in a losing range). Then, you’ve slowed down your ramp to $100 at + 3 to a 33% growth, while your operating margin has increased 50% over +2 - a clear underbet. And then you max out at $150, a 1-6 spread for anything at +4 and over. Think about this and rethink your ramp.

This really restricts your profitability. Once in a while, Ill play a $10 min shoe game. I’ll play $25 off the top, dropping to whatever I feel like in neg counts worse than -2, jump all around in questionable marginal counts, and then really jam it - likely changing bets by the hand. I’ll get up to 250 to 400 (400 rare at $10 game). The strategy will reduce SCORE, but is highly effective and profitable, compensated by huge effective true spread.

Why, just so very very recently, I played such a $10 min shoe game, with $15 or $20 off the top, raising in negative counts, jumping all over in marginal counts, maxing out at 2x250.

I’m pleased to say the Huns nicely contributed to my personal AP relief Fund. Zee, yo7 have the bankroll to fool around like this..

[Optimus Prime]

If anyone is reading this thread and thinking of trying Frieghtman’s approach, read Blackbelt in Blackjack first. Snyder has lots of good stuff on opposition betting and the like.

[Freightman]

If anyone is reading this thread and thinking of trying Frieghtman’s approach, read Blackbelt in Blackjack first. Snyder has lots of good stuff on opposition betting and the like.

This is a mild mild form of it. I do a lot of that to mask spread on a higher min game. Dr. Reid’s book has some great stuff in it. However, hidden kinda sorta in Snyders book are the gem of descriptions that got me started in that direction.

I’m enjoying a hot chocolate at Starbucks, and May be inclined to look up the pages when I get home.

[Counting_Is_Fun]

I never could pretend that. Au contraire, I would prefer playing in non-smoking areas of casinos, if there are any.

The OP asked for advice on wonging out...so I gave mine. I'm not sure where you play, but where I play in the USA most every floor allows smoking.
Few other things allow you to exit then re-enter a game whenever you choose with so little relative scrutiny.

[Counting_Is_Fun]

If anyone is reading this thread and thinking of trying Frieghtman’s approach, read Blackbelt in Blackjack first. Snyder has lots of good stuff on opposition betting and the like.

Agree. Using some opposition betting in certain scenarios probably does help with longevity. But just be sure that you have a good understanding of what you are doing first, and effects on EV and ROR etc...and most importantly the bankroll to even be doing it. Otherwise it will definitely bite you in the ass.

[Freightman]

Agree. Using some opposition betting in certain scenarios probably does help with longevity. But just be sure that you have a good understanding of what you are doing first, and effects on EV and ROR etc...and most importantly the bankroll to even be doing it. Otherwise it will definitely bite you in the ass.

Yes, solid bankroll required.
No, done right, the positive effects on EV are immense.
Yes, a solid understanding of effects on SCORE is extremely helpful. Granted, Im familiar with all of the attributes of Opposition style play, at least in those areas where I play it.
A good act is helpful.
If it’s not understood, don’t do it.

[Counting_Is_Fun]

Yes, solid bankroll required.
No, done right, the positive effects on EV are immense.
Yes, a solid understanding of effects on SCORE is extremely helpful. Granted, Im familiar with all of the attributes of Opposition style play, at least in those areas where I play it.
A good act is helpful.
If it’s not understood, don’t do it.

No, the effects on EV along with everything else will also be catastrophic if player doesn't really know what they are doing. Like I stated.

[Freightman]

No, the effects on EV along with everything else will also be catastrophic if player doesn't really know what they are doing. Like I stated.

I believe I said “ done right”. and gave further caveats. And again, if done right, effects on EV are immense.

[Freightman]

This is a mild mild form of it. I do a lot of that to mask spread on a higher min game. Dr. Reid’s book has some great stuff in it. However, hidden kinda sorta in Snyders book are the gem of descriptions that got me started in that direction.

I’m enjoying a hot chocolate at Starbucks, and May be inclined to look up the pages when I get home.

Black belt in a Blackjack - Opposition Betting - starts at page 199 - generally a shoe strategy, not really practical (though some may have some form of gambit) for double deck, primarily a shoe strategy. Again, they’re many forms if it.

If the topic interests you, read it, then read it again, and then again. I guarantee you’ll miss tidbits with just a once over.

[EyeBRollin]

Too simplistic. If you drive 300 miles to a casino and you Wong out, you have lost your space at that table, maybe a casino where, at that time, there are no other tables available or where too many players around for you to go to another table. The point is to keep your place at the table and strategies for short breaks or workable ramp.

If you’re driving 300 miles for one casino I think you need a new hobby / part-time profession.