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    The Law Regarding Backoffs

    I cannot find any information on the internet on casino backoffs for card counters per state. I was wondering if any of you knew the laws, especially pertaining to Oregon and Washington.

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    Search for Books on Gambling by Bob Nersesian, atty
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    Quote Originally Posted by RatherNotGiveMyRealName View Post
    I cannot find any information on the internet on casino backoffs for card counters per state. I was wondering if any of you knew the laws, especially pertaining to Oregon and Washington.
    Way I look at it, don’t worry about those things. If asked to “back off” a table, do it politely, don’t get aggressive. Unlike old times, the back offs are far more gentle. I have had a few in Las Vegas and Tunica. It’s mostly, “we have made a business decision” or “you are too good” and we do not want you to play BJ at this casino. I have also had them say I cannot go back and forth from one hand to two or I cannot increase my bet. In Missouri they take counter measures.

    Some times they are fairly polite and at other times, they appear hostile but nothing much happens other than being escorted to the cashier and out to the door.

    There are are a lot of others that have far greater experience with back offs and they may chime in.

    There are some that get too upset when a back off occurs, especially when losing, and things can escalate but my advice is to stay in control. Now, if chips are confiscated or physical confrontations occur, it might be time for an attorney.

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    Gambling and the Law might be a good book, but I haven't read it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Way I look at it, don’t worry about those things. If asked to “back off” a table, do it politely, don’t get aggressive. Unlike old times, the back offs are far more gentle. I have had a few in Las Vegas and Tunica. It’s mostly, “we have made a business decision” or “you are too good” and we do not want you to play BJ at this casino. I have also had them say I cannot go back and forth from one hand to two or I cannot increase my bet. In Missouri they take counter measures.

    Some times they are fairly polite and at other times, they appear hostile but nothing much happens other than being escorted to the cashier and out to the door.

    There are are a lot of others that have far greater experience with back offs and they may chime in.

    There are some that get too upset when a back off occurs, especially when losing, and things can escalate but my advice is to stay in control. Now, if chips are confiscated or physical confrontations occur, it might be time for an attorney.
    I appreciate the info. My backoff started off passive-aggressively with her saying, “So, where did you learn to count?” but ended nicely with a handshake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Gambling and the Law might be a good book, but I haven't read it.
    Like BJA3, and Wong's Prof. BJ, it should be part of every AP's library.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    Like BJA3, and Wong's Prof. BJ, it should be part of every AP's library.
    Would this still be a good read if I’m only ever really going to play in one or two states? On top of that, I only play blackjack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RatherNotGiveMyRealName View Post
    Would this still be a good read if I’m only ever really going to play in one or two states? On top of that, I only play blackjack.
    Yes. Especially if you play in Indian casinos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    Yes. Especially if you play in Indian casinos.
    I primarily play in Indian casinos. One more thing; do you mean for me to read “Blackjack and the Law” or “Gambling and the Law”? Because the former sounds more pertinent.

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    The book I have is, "The Law for Gamblers..." by R. Nersesian. It's the most up to date.
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01FGMDCJ2...ng=UTF8&btkr=1

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    The book I have is, "The Law for Gamblers..." by R. Nersesian. It's the most up to date.
    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01FGMDCJ2...ng=UTF8&btkr=1
    To your knowledge, does this book have better information regarding casino backoffs for card counting blackjack or does, “Blackjack and the Law”?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RatherNotGiveMyRealName View Post
    To your knowledge, does this book have better information regarding casino backoffs for card counting blackjack or does, “Blackjack and the Law”?
    If I read BJ and the Law, it was a long time ago and I don't recall specifics. The authors of that one are very well respected, but the book is 20 years old. I'm sure there's been a lot of new case law since then. There's nothing special about BJ or card counting with respect to casino law. Not sure what you're looking for regarding backoffs, but the casinos can back you off (except NJ and MO) and you don't need a book for that. I'd go with Nersesian's book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    If I read BJ and the Law, it was a long time ago and I don't recall specifics. The authors of that one are very well respected, but the book is 20 years old. I'm sure there's been a lot of new case law since then. There's nothing special about BJ or card counting with respect to casino law. Not sure what you're looking for regarding backoffs, but the casinos can back you off (except NJ and MO) and you don't need a book for that. I'd go with Nersesian's book.
    Okay, I’ll look into it. Thank you for the info!

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