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    EV per shoe

    Hi,

    Is it possible to calculate units won per shoe WITHOUT any simulations ?


    James

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    if you don't want to simulate the plays, you may have to count how many shoes are played in that session. CV has a history that has a statistics feature. under that dropdown there is a streaks subset. this will give you how many hands are won and how many units a
    #NAME? $Won Won % Cumm. % #NAME? $Lost Lost % Cumm. % Hands Won Hands Lost
    1 7 $188 33.33% 33.33% 11 $725 52.38% 52.38% 7 11 25.00%
    2 10 $1,788 47.62% 80.95% 4 $525 19.05% 71.43% 20 8 18.18%
    3 2 $200 9.52% 90.48% 2 $325 9.52% 80.95% 6 6 13.64%
    4 0 $0 0.00% 90.48% 3 $400 14.29% 95.24% 0 12 27.27%
    5 1 $550 4.76% 95.24% 0 $0 0.00% 95.24% 5 0 0.00%
    6 1 $363 4.76% 100.00% 0 $0 0.00% 95.24% 6 0 0.00%
    7 0 $0 0.00% 100.00% 1 $200 4.76% 100.00% 0 7 15.91%
    8 0 $0 0.00% 100.00% 0 $0 0.00% 100.00% 0 0 0.00%
    9 0 $0 0.00% 100.00% 0 $0 0.00% 100.00% 0 0 0.00%
    10 0 $0 0.00% 100.00% 0 $0 0.00% 100.00% 0 0 0.00%
    11 0 $0 0.00% 100.00% 0 $0 0.00% 100.00% 0 0 0.00%
    12 0 $0 0.00% 100.00% 0 $0 0.00% 100.00% 0 0 0.00%
    13 0 $0 0.00% 100.00% 0 $0 0.00% 100.00% 0 0 0.00%
    14 0 $0 0.00% 100.00% 0 $0 0.00% 100.00% 0 0 0.00%
    15 0 $0 0.00% 100.00% 0 $0 0.00% 100.00% 0 0 0.00%
    16 0 $0 0.00% 100.00% 0 $0 0.00% 100.00% 0 0 0.00%
    17 0 $0 0.00% 100.00% 0 $0 0.00% 100.00% 0 0 0.00%
    18 0 $0 0.00% 100.00% 0 $0 0.00% 100.00% 0 0 0.00%
    19 0 $0 0.00% 100.00% 0 $0 0.00% 100.00% 0 0 0.00%
    >19 0 $0 0.00% 100.00% 0 $0 0.00% 100.00%
    3089 2175 44 44
    0
    0.00% 0.00%
    re lost. The rest is Hands won devided by shoes played.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James989 View Post
    Hi,

    Is it possible to calculate units won per shoe WITHOUT any simulations ?


    James
    From where will you get the frequencies and e.v.s of each true count without simulation?

    Don

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    Maybe I'm missing something....but wouldn't you just calculate average # of rounds per shoe (2.7 cards used per spot played)...then multiply the # of rounds by your EV/rnd?
    "Everyone wants to be rich, but nobody wants to work for it." -Ryan Howard [The Office]

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS View Post
    Maybe I'm missing something....but wouldn't you just calculate average # of rounds per shoe (2.7 cards used per spot played)...then multiply the # of rounds by your EV/rnd?
    Yes, you're missing something. How do you suggest getting the e.v. per round?

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    Yes, you're missing something. How do you suggest getting the e.v. per round?

    Don
    My post was to the OP, not to you.

    I figured the OP was thinking he'd have to run a sim specifically to figure out the EV per shoe instead of just doing the math.
    "Everyone wants to be rich, but nobody wants to work for it." -Ryan Howard [The Office]

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS View Post
    My post was to the OP, not to you.

    I figured the OP was thinking he'd have to run a sim specifically to figure out the EV per shoe instead of just doing the math.
    I figure you're right. And the question is still the same: how do you determine the line by line e.v.s of each true count without simulation? Or are you assuming that, for say, Hi-Lo, you can just use 0.50% per true, which is an approximation, but certainly not very accurate? Moreover, where are you getting the line by line frequencies from, since the profit per shoe is a result of multiplying the above two variables by the corresponding bet sizes and then summing the products?

    Don

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    I guess I can sell my old « Beat the X deck game » series by Snyder... LOL

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