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    CKO/TKO - Looking for Opinions on This System

    I have been practicing a version of Color K-O (by Leroy Nimka) that implements ideas from Daniel Dravot's "Color of Blackjack." I am looking for any and all opinions on the effectiveness of this system or any changes I should make. Here are the details of the count I use and the rules I play with:

    6 deck, S17, DAS, LS, Blackjack pays 3:2, about 83% penetration (extremely favorable rules)
    1-10 bet spread ($10-$100) (As per the book, I am planning on taking 12 max bets with me to each casino trip, which is twice a month. As of right now, $1200 is my bankroll but I am somewhat able to replenish it)
    K-O count (2 through 7 = 1, 8 and 9 = 0, 10 and A = -1)



    I use a chart (made on google sheets) to plot the different true counts for every running count at each deck (Take note that I created it on my phone and, therefore, looks a little wonky on PC at times). I have the chart on the top right memorized and I simply keep a running count during the game and compare it with this grid to find out which "color" I am in. I make my betting decisions and playing deviations based on which color I am in at the time. My betting ramp is on the bottom left and my deviations next to it. My actual bet ramp numbers are sort of an amalgamation of different strategies and could be modified. I am more concerned about my deviations which are heavily Frankenstein-ed from different posts/strategies. I even rounded some of them for simplicity. Are there any changes that I could make to maximize EV or minimize risk? I would lean towards the latter over the former if possible. Feel free to ask or say anything, thanks!

    My spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
    Last edited by RatherNotGiveMyRealName; 08-30-2019 at 04:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RatherNotGiveMyRealName View Post
    I have been practicing a version of Color K-O (by Leroy Nimka) that implements ideas from Daniel Dravot's "Color of Blackjack." I am looking for any and all opinions on the effectiveness of this system or any changes I should make. Here are the details of the count I use and the rules I play with:

    6 deck, S17, DAS, LS, Blackjack pays 3:2, about 83% penetration (extremely favorable rules)
    1-10 bet spread ($10-$100) (As per the book, I am planning on taking 12 max bets with me to each casino trip, which is twice a month. As of right now, $1200 is my bankroll but I am somewhat able to replenish it)
    K-O count (2 through 7 = 1, 8 and 9 = 0, 10 and A = -1)



    I use a chart (made on google sheets) to plot the different true counts for every running count at each deck (Take note that I created it on my phone and, therefore, looks a little wonky on PC at times). I have the chart on the top right memorized and I simply keep a running count during the game and compare it with this grid to find out which "color" I am in. I make my betting decisions and playing deviations based on which color I am in at the time. My betting ramp is on the bottom left and my deviations next to it. My actual bet ramp numbers are sort of an amalgamation of different strategies and could be modified. I am more concerned about my deviations which are heavily Frankenstein-ed from different posts/strategies. I even rounded some of them for simplicity. Are there any changes that I could make to maximize EV or minimize risk? I would lean towards the latter over the former if possible. Feel free to ask or say anything, thanks!

    My spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
    I am sure you already know the main purpose of Color KO by Leroy Nimka is to improve playing. TKO is created by Daniel Dravot to improve betting. For that being said I would combine the two. I would be interested to see if the CKO combine with TKO would beat the true counted version of KO in SCORE.

    What I would do is use depth-based strategy for betting in KO and convert True Count KO indices to running count with each individual decks. The SCORE would become very close to the actual True Counted version of KO or equal to the actual True Count version of KO.
    Last edited by seriousplayer; 08-30-2019 at 08:56 PM.

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    Sounds easy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    I am sure you already know the main purpose of Color KO by Leroy Nimka is to improve playing. TKO is created by Daniel Dravot to improve betting. For that being said I would combine the two. I would be interested to see if the CKO combine with TKO would beat the true counted version of KO in SCORE.

    What I would do is use depth-based strategy for betting in KO and convert True Count KO indices to running count with each individual decks. The SCORE would become very close to the actual True Counted version of KO or equal to the actual True Count version of KO.
    Hi there! Thanks for posting. I am in the process of combing the two into my own sort of creation. I normally take two trips to the casino a month and have been using REKO to see if I can count in a casino setting. I have pretty much broken even overall, but I am confident that I can go in with a more powerful count and get the job done. I am going to the casino again this Monday and I will post my results as well as any future results.

    Just in case my link doesn’t work, I will put the strategy details here in writing:

    True Count of 0: 1 Unit
    Deviations: Stand 16 vs 10, Stand 12 vs 4

    True Count of +1: 2 Units
    Deviations: Double 11 vs Ace, Surrender 15 vs A, Surrender 8,8 vs 10

    True Count of +2: 4 Units
    Deviations: Stand 12 vs 2,3, Double Soft 19 vs 5,6, Surrender 15 vs 9

    True Count of +3: 7 Units (or 7.5 for the simplicity of using three green chips)
    Deviations: Take Insurance, Split 9,9 vs 7, Double 9 vs 2,7, Surrender 14 vs 10

    True Count of 4+: 10 Units
    Deviations: Stand 16 vs 8,9,A, Stand 15 vs 10, Double 10 vs 10,A, Double 8 vs 5,6, Surrender 16 vs 8

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