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    Casinos lost big money on ASM clumping tables!

    This happened at a casino which turns on ASM clumping all the time. At most casinos that I think they practice ASM clumping, I have determined they only do so once an AP is identified.

    At this particular casino, I have seen this for a few sessions now. Ploppies are actively seeking for these table with this side bet, TOP3. The payout is simple. Same card three of a kind 270 to 1. Straight flush 180 to 1. Three of a kind 90 to 1. I hardly see the first two occur. Actually only twice for entire nine hours (straight flush). But because ASM clump the cards, it is unusually high percentage for three of a kind to occur. I have seen everybody but me play this side bet. And almost every shoe, there is someone hit the three of a kind, if not two or three people do. You can see for a full table, everyone plays at most 14 hands for 6D. The payout is 90 to 1. The house is losing money. I see people who bet $5 at every hand on this side bet, win $1000 in three hours. People who only bet $1 can make $200 in a three hour session. This is not just for a few ploppies. Based on my observation in my sessions, at least 40% of ploppies meet this expectation. And aside the few unlucky ones, almost all ploppes leave the table being a winner, compared to other tables without this side bet, which almost 100% of ploppes leave the BJ table a loser.
    Last edited by BJGenius007; 08-29-2019 at 09:06 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    This happened at a casino which turns on ASM clumping all the time. At most casinos that I think they practice ASM clumping, I have determined they only do so once an AP is identified.
    Good place to tell my another important experience. I have not been to this casino for two years. Today I had a pit boss that I never met. I am new to her so she was observing my plays from a distance. I pretend I did not pay attention to her. She let me play for about 50 minutes. I have to say I have not seen a pit boss so persistent. Even I had some cover plays trying to confuse her since I know she was watching, but eventually she took a remote control (or her cell phone) and turn on the Beast Mode because I have won too much.

    Then she no longer watch my play. Before this, I can expect what kind of card come out based on TC most of the time. But after that, card coming out is correlated to the clump, not TC, as I always experience on clumping ASM. After 40 minutes of struggling, I almost lose all my winnings so I left. This is the typical experience for a casino practicing Beast Mode does to a new AP to their casino.

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    What a dunce. At least you self categorize your posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by refinery View Post
    What a dunce. At least you self categorize your posts.
    Believe me. I was on your side for four years from 2012 to 2016. I refused believing casinos would use ASM to clump cards because it doesn't make any sense since too much is in stake. I sought for other explanations until I finally lost 2/3 of my bankroll and switch side. Once I accepted the possibility that casino might clump cards as my hypothesis, then seek out for other clues, it is much easier to explain everything. Reading all the forums, most active BJ players are saying the same thing. For people who live in the past and did not play much lately or not play at all now, it might be impossible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abjace View Post
    Science fiction… too much watching of History channel on your part. Better go to a casino and just watch.

    If you know it is clumping, simply deviate from basic strategy. Aim high but hit low. the robos expect you to stand on your stiffs against dealer lows and vise versa. Do the opposite a few times, you can thumb your nose at them and tell in their face the robos are ridiculously easy to figure out. The planet of apes back to the future…
    I have seen the same device used to change table minimal. or change the Jackpot amount of a progressive side bet once someone hit the Jackpot. As your second point, you are correct. When in Beast Model, you have three options to play your hand. In general, decision based on clumping (full table you can see the pattern) is better than the decision based on Basic Strategy which is better than the decision based on True Count index play.

    Back to the first point, years ago pit boss has to come to the table to switch on the Beast Mode. Now they don't. They can stand ten feet away and use a PDA device with Bluetooth.
    Last edited by BJGenius007; 08-29-2019 at 11:56 AM.

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    You're full of shit, period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShipTheCookies View Post
    You're full of shit, period.
    I read all your posts. None of them is longer than five sentences. You have the same writing pattern as refinery. Lack of passion for Blackjack. It is most likely that you as well as refinery is casino employee. Writing to BJ forum on the behalf of casino.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    I read all your posts. None of them is longer than five sentences. You have the same writing pattern as refinery. Lack of passion for Blackjack. It is most likely that you as well as refinery is casino employee. Writing to BJ forum on the behalf of casino.
    You're an actual piece of shit who hasn't ever contributed anything but your "beast mode" fiction. You should be banned by now. Such trash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by refinery View Post
    You're an actual piece of shit who hasn't ever contributed anything but your "beast mode" fiction. You should be banned by now. Such trash.
    I have accused of you being the casino employee before. You seem admitting it. At least you did not deny it. Are you a casino employee?

    You almost wrote only a few sentences in your posts and hardly wrote any essay. I said you contribute less to the forum than I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    I have accused of you being the casino employee before. You seem admitting it. At least you did not deny it. Are you a casino employee?

    You almost wrote only a few sentences in your posts and hardly wrote any essay. I said you contribute less to the forum than I.
    I have accused you of being a fucking moron and you've proven yourself over and over to be exactly that. You should be banned.

    Where did you learn English? Now I understand exactly what you are. Superstitious native.

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