Dice Influence?

[Norm]

https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/en...-Bryce-Carlson

[UncleChoo]

https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/en...-Bryce-Carlson

After reading this it makes me wonder how many people bought the Wong book and spent hundreds of hours over years trying to master their dice roll and then came across this blog.
You can't shoot (no pun intended) the messenger, but I bet they have some serious animosity against Carlson or Wong.

[Bigdaddy]

just out of curiosity are you saying they called out or bet on the hardaways they were trying to hit before they threw?or are you saying they just rolled and the hardaways happened to come?thanks

They didn't call them out. They always set the dice using a "hard-way set" (hard-ways all around). This is the best set for 7 avoidance, and as a by product, you would expect more hard ways to be thrown, which there were.

[Blackjackcounter]

I also attended a seminar by Golden Touch. I have seen Dominator take my dice and started with hardware set and throw Hard 4, Hard 6, Hard 8, Hard 10, Hard 8, Hard 6, Last roll 2,3. If I did not see it, I would not have believed it. I am aslo a skeptic when it come to dice influence because of the random spin of the dice once they hit the pyramids. This is very evident is slow motion.

Aaron Hightower did extensive research on this subject. He quit playing because it was not a viable game to get an edge.

[Counting_Is_Fun]

I also attended a seminar by Golden Touch. I have seen Dominator take my dice and started with hardware set and throw Hard 4, Hard 6, Hard 8, Hard 10, Hard 8, Hard 6, Last roll 2,3. If I did not see it, I would not have believed it. I am aslo a skeptic when it come to dice influence because of the random spin of the dice once they hit the pyramids. This is very evident is slow motion.

Aaron Hightower did extensive research on this subject. He quit playing because it was not a viable game to get an edge.

I know nothing about craps, but my intuition tells me there is absolutely no way you can control the dice...unless they are loaded.

[Counting_Is_Fun]

https://www.blackjacktheforum.com/en...-Bryce-Carlson

Ok now I just read Norm's link to Carlson and I have to agree...unless you introduce loaded dice, then I believe anyone claiming AP dice control is 100% full of shit. And they can just hide behind the usual excuses already mentioned regarding not being able to confirm their EV or supposed ability.

[Jabberwocky]

Ok now I just read Norm's link to Carlson and I have to agree...unless you introduce loaded dice, then I believe anyone claiming AP dice control is 100% full of shit. And they can just hide behind the usual excuses already mentioned regarding not being able to confirm their EV or supposed ability.

Anyone stupid enough to hit the alligator deserves to lose.

[ShipTheCookies]

Time to talk about this again. I just finished attending the Golden Touch craps seminar in Vegas...

You got ripped off! Nuf said.

[drunk]

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UNLV researchers built a machine which they called "Lucky Lil" to answer the question of whether or not dice could be influenced to beat craps

here is their conclusion:

"Our machine failed to attain the desired consistency we hoped to produce. However, even in this failure, we believe that the effort did shed considerable light on the possibility of either a human or a machine attaining such a level of control. Although a more sophisticated machine can be built, or the parameters further tweaked, we are much more skeptical than before we started that such control by either a machine or a human is possible. Considerable effort was expended to replicate throwing conditions by Lucky Lil’ that might make control possible. Not only is there a lack of statistical support for control, but our high-speed camera videos show the chaotic behavior of the dice being thrown off-axis after a very few bounces. Our throws were consistently on-axis, such that if the dice landed on a super soft surface (think mud) the dice would land on the front-facing numbers (2s, 3s, 4s and 5s);but once the dice hit the craps table they quickly scrambled. While we do not expect our experimental findings to be the final word on dice control, we do hope it stimulates further discussions and experiments."


https://digitalscholarship.unlv.edu/...5&context=grrj

[Norm]

Gee, what a surprise.

[DSchles]

Somewhere, I sense that Frank Scoblete and his idolized "Captain" are going to be insulted.

Don

[moo321]

Here is an interview from Gambling with an Edge with a dice controller:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REZgF55WPng


I agree with his conclusions. If you practice a ton, you can probably get a small edge somewhere, with odd table conditions. But it's going to be pretty obvious, and you're going to get backed off pretty quick. You're probably not going to make hundreds of thousands of dollars off of this.

[Sidecount]

I do think it is possible. But for a very very small minority who already have an exceptional ability.

I can occasionally hit a 3 pointer on the basketball court. But no amount of practice is going to get me to be able to shoot as consistently as Steph Curry. It just doesn't matter. Practice alone isn't going to get me there.

I've also seen some videos of some world-champion cup stackers who are crazy fast with amazing times. Same for rubiks cube solvers. I saw one video of a guy who could solve 3 rubiks cubes while he was juggling them. If you or me or pretty much anyone else were given that challenge and had never heard of the rubiks cube we would say it was not realistic to be able to do that. If baseball never existed and scientists and physicists were asked about the possibility of hitting a hard, round ball coming at them at 95 mph and connecting solidly with a rounded bat that it would travel 450 feet I think most would say that would not be realistic.

Some amazing things are possible. And dice control could potentially be achievable too....but not by the vast majority of people.