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    Time limit

    I have found a good time is roughly two hours for a single trip. Anything longer than that I have seen a lot go wrong. Does anyone have an input on this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyOcean View Post
    I have found a good time is roughly two hours for a single trip. Anything longer than that I have seen a lot go wrong. Does anyone have an input on this?
    Adjust for dd, 6d, or 8d, store and city. . Example, for me - half hour or less in 1 store for dd, quick 5 hour hit and run with wild spreads at another store in a different city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Adjust for dd, 6d, or 8d, store and city. . Example, for me - half hour or less in 1 store for dd, quick 5 hour hit and run with wild spreads at another store in a different city.
    So double deck is wilder spread and less time to get through shoes so less time spent played? If there are less stores in a city, do you play longer? I’m only 45 hours in so still trying to learn best way to take trips

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyOcean View Post
    So double deck is wilder spread and less time to get through shoes so less time spent played? If there are less stores in a city, do you play longer? I’m only 45 hours in so still trying to learn best way to take trips
    Double Deck is a different animal, and you have to be careful, especially if it’s a quality game. If good rules and nice pen and heads up, it’s likely hawked and it would be a good idea to move along quickly.

    I’ve played some quality dd with minimal spread, crushing, I’ve also played decent rules shitty pen which needs far higher spread. Iv3 also played shitty rules with shitty pen with a sweaty shitty pit? The game is volatile count wise

    Your best opportunity for longevity is 6d. There, artistry and finesse will rule the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Double Deck is a different animal, and you have to be careful, especially if it’s a quality game. If good rules and nice pen and heads up, it’s likely hawked and it would be a good idea to move along quickly.

    I’ve played some quality dd with minimal spread, crushing, I’ve also played decent rules shitty pen which needs far higher spread. Iv3 also played shitty rules with shitty pen with a sweaty shitty pit? The game is volatile count wise

    Your best opportunity for longevity is 6d. There, artistry and finesse will rule the day.
    I have found 6d to be my favorite. I’m trying to learn though the finesse. I’m experiencing extreme variance in positive situations. Do you strictly stick to your spread based on tc? Or any tips on the finesse you talk about? I’m successfully moving in and out of advantage tc, but do not have much more finesse than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DannyOcean View Post
    I have found a good time is roughly two hours for a single trip. Anything longer than that I have seen a lot go wrong. Does anyone have an input on this?
    Two days is the min trip I plan for. Actually prefer to camp out for 3 days if possible.

    Just reviewed my 2018 trips. Made 18 trips in 2018. I had 2 one day trips, 10 three day trips, and 6 two day trips. Shortest trip was only one half hour. It wasn't a regular trip. Just was checking out a casino in the area. Longest trip was a 3 day trip that I managed to get in 23.5 hours of play all at one casino.
    Last edited by Midwest Player; 08-21-2019 at 10:14 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Double Deck is a different animal, and you have to be careful, especially if it’s a quality game. If good rules and nice pen and heads up, it’s likely hawked and it would be a good idea to move along quickly.
    ...
    Your best opportunity for longevity is 6d. There, artistry and finesse will rule the day.
    All true. The reason is that in DD high counts come and go quickly, so it's easy to see when you jump your bet. You can do some things to cover this, of course, at the expense of EV. You can open with a mid-range bet, or only increase after a win or decrease after a loss. This will help to disguise your spread, for a while. In addition to jumping your bet, DD is watched more closely, which doesn't help your cause.

    On 6D the count generally rises and then falls, making it easier for you to raise your bet less obviously. You can parlay a win until you hit your max, you can add or drop a hand (to change the flow of the cards, of course) and in the process increase or decrease your bet. You're rarely going to be in a situation where you go from min to max, but that happens frequently in DD.

    As a rule of thumb, I do not tombstone DD. I try to stay under 45 minutes. I don't want to give them hours of play to analyze. On 6D, I play though one max bet cycle. It looks natural. If you win, you leave. If you got crushed, you leave. Both are normal ploppy behaviors, so you look like a gambler.

    A couple of caveats... If I'm in a small casino and I sit through three negative shoes, I leave. I Wong out on poor counts, so after doing that three times it's too obvious if the next shoe is good and I start betting big. Also, there are places out there you can camp, so I will if it's worth it. In case I'm unsure, though, I leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCJH View Post
    All true. The reason is that in DD high counts come and go quickly, so it's easy to see when you jump your bet. You can do some things to cover this, of course, at the expense of EV. You can open with a mid-range bet, or only increase after a win or decrease after a loss. This will help to disguise your spread, for a while. In addition to jumping your bet, DD is watched more closely, which doesn't help your cause.

    On 6D the count generally rises and then falls, making it easier for you to raise your bet less obviously. You can parlay a win until you hit your max, you can add or drop a hand (to change the flow of the cards, of course) and in the process increase or decrease your bet. You're rarely going to be in a situation where you go from min to max, but that happens frequently in DD.

    As a rule of thumb, I do not tombstone DD. I try to stay under 45 minutes. I don't want to give them hours of play to analyze. On 6D, I play though one max bet cycle. It looks natural. If you win, you leave. If you got crushed, you leave. Both are normal ploppy behaviors, so you look like a gambler.

    A couple of caveats... If I'm in a small casino and I sit through three negative shoes, I leave. I Wong out on poor counts, so after doing that three times it's too obvious if the next shoe is good and I start betting big. Also, there are places out there you can camp, so I will if it's worth it. In case I'm unsure, though, I leave.
    Great insight there ^ Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCJH View Post
    All true. The reason is that in DD high counts come and go quickly, so it's easy to see when you jump your bet. You can do some things to cover this, of course, at the expense of EV. You can open with a mid-range bet, or only increase after a win or decrease after a loss. This will help to disguise your spread, for a while. In addition to jumping your bet, DD is watched more closely, which doesn't help your cause.

    On 6D the count generally rises and then falls, making it easier for you to raise your bet less obviously. You can parlay a win until you hit your max, you can add or drop a hand (to change the flow of the cards, of course) and in the process increase or decrease your bet. You're rarely going to be in a situation where you go from min to max, but that happens frequently in DD.

    As a rule of thumb, I do not tombstone DD. I try to stay under 45 minutes. I don't want to give them hours of play to analyze. On 6D, I play though one max bet cycle. It looks natural. If you win, you leave. If you got crushed, you leave. Both are normal ploppy behaviors, so you look like a gambler.

    A couple of caveats... If I'm in a small casino and I sit through three negative shoes, I leave. I Wong out on poor counts, so after doing that three times it's too obvious if the next shoe is good and I start betting big. Also, there are places out there you can camp, so I will if it's worth it. In case I'm unsure, though, I leave.
    Thank you for this. I think I will plan on to implement the max bet cycle. All of my losses come after big wins and I’d say I was closer to 7-8 max bet cycles. My big wins, I don’t think I was ever over 3 max bet cycles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Actually prefer to camp out for 3 days if possible.
    So the rumours are true then.

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