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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Norm wrote:

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    There is no "cheat mode" in the One2Six. That does not mean that it can't be beaten."

    Exactly, because of some people figuring out an exploitable error.
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    Some hand shuffles are exploitable, but that's not because there is some kind of error in the shuffling procedure. It's because the procedure results in a shuffle that has exploitable properties. Similarly, you can study the mechanism and procedure used by the CSM while it handles the cards and discover the exploitable properties of the resulting stream of cards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Further, it absolutely is possible to present clear cut evidence of actual AP methods. And, there are millions of people that make all sorts of claims about voodoo systems that we ignore.
    That all sounds so righteous and all, however, pertaining to this site, as a Matter of Fact, you yourself allowed a poster to make outrageous claims of making 4 to 5% regular average EV earnings while using a "still to this day" unproven personal system. That tale went on for years without a peep out of your mouth, is that factual enough for you Norm?

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    Do not repeat KJ's damnable lies on this site. I repeatedly stated that his numbers were wrong, as did many others. And his method of play was not voodoo and did provide an advantage. He just didn't understand how to calculate EV (and was boring). I don't know what you are trying to prove; but everything you have said in this thread is way off base.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Do not repeat KJ's damnable lies on this site. I repeatedly stated that his numbers were wrong, as did many others. And his method of play was not voodoo. He just didn't understand how to calculate EV.
    The problem was that KJ was not lying he told the truth. Never "alright there may have been one time" was that other poster claims transferred to the Disadvantage Forum. Those of us sitting in the cheap seats saw for themselves a real lot of leeway on your part that does not even come close to what the house rules are supposed to be.
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    T broke no rules. I wish he had as I tired of his posts and privately begged him to reduce his posting. But, being wrong about something is not against the rules. I gave KJ more leeway than any other poster on this site. Unfortunately, he broke the rules, egregiously, more than any other person in the site's history and had to be banned. Scores of false accusations of fraud against multiple people amounting to criminal accusations (and hundreds since at nine locations)-- none with an iota of truth.

    BoSox, you are wrong, and you are destroying this thread. The thread is about the One2Six. You apparently do not understand how this device works and the circumstances under which devices of this nature can be beaten, which has driven you further and further off track.
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    There's no rule against posting unsubstantiated bullshit over and over again? if not, there should be.

    Norm, perhaps you forgot, but Don, too, debunked his garbage (super-duper EV with zero variance) multiple times, but he just kept going. You could have and should have shut him down.

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    Again, his strategy was not voodoo. Again, there is no rule against being wrong. And I said multiple people debunked his claims, including Don and me.

    To show you just how off base you are, KJ has posted over 100 times that I committed fraud by allowing T to post about a fraudulent system so that I could profit off of the posts by selling software. Well first, it wasn’t a fraudulent system. But even if it were, my software does not and will never support T’s system. So, T’s posts could have only harmed me. Anyone that he converted couldn't use my software. The claim I profited is ridiculous on its face.

    As for a rule against posting unsubstantiated bullshit,that's what you have been doing here and it is disrupting this thread about the One2Six.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    The thread is about the One2Six. You apparently do not understand how this device works and the circumstances under which devices of this nature can be beaten, which has driven you further and further off track.
    That is correct as I never played against a CSM. Pertaining to ASM I have played plenty more than enough time to recognize when something is not right. When you have played as many years as I have you just know that you are seeing repeating sequences of clumping cards in unprecedented patterns that you never have seen before. Now, this is not the same occurrences every time and I still get my EV against them. I just avoid playing them if I start seeing bizarre clumping and look for hand shuffles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    That is correct as I never played against a CSM. Pertaining to ASM I have played plenty more than enough time to recognize when something is not right. When you have played as many years as I have you just know that you are seeing repeating sequences of clumping cards in unprecedented patterns that you never have seen before. Now, this is not the same occurrences every time and I still get my EV against them. I just avoid playing them if I start seeing bizarre clumping and look for hand shuffles.
    Ah, and there it is. BoSox is an ASM truther.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    To show you just how off base you are, KJ has posted over 100 times that I committed fraud by allowing T to post about a fraudulent system so that I could profit off of the posts by selling software. Well first, it wasn’t a fraudulent system. But even if it were, my software does not and will never support T’s system. So, T’s posts could have only harmed me. Anyone that he converted couldn't use my software. The claim I profited is ridiculous on its face.

    Just to show how off base you are Norm T's hundreds of posts about phony claims became hopes and dreams and were the envy of numerous beginners who did not know better and believed all of it. Now at that time, T was making the most post on the board which in and of itself is supposedly a good thing for the board which possibly gave him a different set of rules.
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    1. He didn't provide an explanation of his system. He was selling nothing. It harmed no one. Particularly since so many folks stated that his numbers were wrong. Had the posts gone unanswered, that would be a different story. We learn through errors.

    2. No, his numerous posts were not a good thing; and as I said, I begged him to reduce his posting. I did this many times. Indeed, I have made many efforts to reduce the number of useless posts on the board, of which you are the prime contributor today.

    3. For the third time, he broke no rules. None. Zero. There are very few rules here. No personal attacks, no religion, no politics are the main rules and have been since day one.

    BoSox, you continue to make posts in this thread with claims that are simply wrong. By your rules, I should ban you. But, being wrong is not against the rules. You have made several personal attacks against T which are against the rules. (You have also made them against me -- but that is not against the rules.) T has not posted in six months; and yet you are disrupting this thread to go on and on about him. It's boring and pointless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by refinery View Post
    Ah, and there it is. BoSox is an ASM truther.
    Old news just check out the disadvantage forum. I could care less what you think. I know what I have seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Old news just check out the disadvantage forum. I could care less what you think. I know what I have seen.
    Please come with me to the casino and help me identify the beginning of a winning streak. That would be a huge help!

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