I think it was Turning Stone, in Verona, but I heard that they were incredibly sweaty there, with rude barrings, and that the DD game was hawked to no end.Originally Posted by Halbruno
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There are atleast 3 casinos in the greater New England area with DD games. Only one is playable. Two of the stores will trespass on first offense for relatively moderate stakes. The games in the RI and CT casinos are playable but you’ll have to get creative to increase the SCORE and edge on these eight deckers. MGM offers a good game with sharp personnel to protect it.
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CT is a tough nut to crack for someone on a limited bankroll. Rules are bad and limits are high, that's a killer combination. Also tables often managed to full which means it's not easy to table hop like it used to be. For shoes you need at least 100-125 of your big bets. If you're playing on a $10 game that's $10,000. If you want to play on a smaller bankroll you need to find better games where you can get a bigger edge. PA has surrender. Wendover and Reno NV have old schools 3/2 single deck. Las Vegas has locals casinos with $10 double deck which are great for low limit play. On a bad game you may need 150 top bets to have a legit chance to survive, on a great game you may need only 50-75 top bets to survive the swings. If your bankroll is really small you may just decide to take a shot (Hail Mary approach). If you win you get to keep playing. It's always a judgement call.
CT casinos will fax your photo to each other so a backoff at any one of them should be considered a backoff at all of them. That said, if you're not counting cards you're just gambling anyway and what's the fun in that. MGM Springfield probably does not share outside of their company...especially for new players. They are in deep competition with the tribes right now and aren't going to give them anything.
Hmmm, here is the problem for me as a beginner counter (not yet in casino, maybe next year) with little bankroll:
The most intimidating for me is volatility and losing streaks detrimental to at least trip bankroll, and thus uncertainty. I mainly practised 6 deck shoe in CV so far, and am clearly behind (approx. 1 or 2 standard deviations). Went down from 1100 to 400 in only about 3 shoes recently, spreading 5 to 50 (1:10 spread), then only recovered to 600.
The idea is a bankroll of 5000 (100 max bets) in the 6 deck case, so when I go down from 1000 to 0 and lose a short trip bankroll, I have only 4000 overall bankroll left and actually have to size down my max bet to 40 dollars (but 5 to 40 is only 1:8 spread, thus even less EV).
Thus I considered trying double deck, 1:5 spread from 5 to 25 dollars, for heat reasons. Then 100 max bets would only require a total bankroll of 2500, or is it still 5000 = 1000 min bets? I will buy CVCX soon in order to answer such questions.
The point is, you say DD is more volatile because the TC changes more rapidly. But in shoe games I have to wait longer for high TCs and good betting opportunities, and need a larger spread and max bet, which IMHO makes shoe games more volatile than pitch games (?). If available, this is to some degree flattened by Late Surrender in shoe games.
Last edited by PinkChip; 08-15-2019 at 04:39 AM.
I really don't know if you would find a beatable DD game at a $5 min. The one thing I regret was waiting so long before running sims. It really was an eye opening experience. Even spreading $10 - $100 had a much weaker hourly rate than I would of first though and if playing $25 min spreading 1 - 6 you'll be shocked at how high your RoR is with bankrolls in the the 10k range. I guess wonging would improve things quite a bit, but where I play it's not really realistic to do it. It really does take money to make money in this game (unless going to luck-box some real positive variance for an extended period of time short rolled), that's about the only thing I'm certain of.
I wanted to add I really think the solo counter grinding away a 6 digit income is a very rare breed. The more I research the more I conclude the people who really extract money from this game are well organized and networked with team play. I could be way off base here, but this is how I see things as of now. It sounds like a nasty business too because the people at the top of these organized teams are probably always scouting fresh faces knowing damn well these new faces will only be useful for so long, and when there usefulness is over they're probably told to hit the road leaving the person burned out unable to find a game anywhere.
Last edited by UncleChoo; 08-15-2019 at 05:18 AM.
Well the good news according to cuts you up, is that you will be much closer to your real number when you are also playing the drills. Sorry cuts you up just a joke.
Even though you, for the most part, would be left alone to play with that betting spread you need to understand that the heat on double-deck games comes from just sitting down to play those games period. It is the first place they look, as card counting is much easier to spot. Much shorter sessions are also required.
Wonging is very tough in DD games. Shoe games are not meant to be played every hand, especially by limited bankroll players. In shoe games wonging becomes an art, which also includes periodically sitting out hands. The fewer shit hands you play the less spread you will need to win. Shoe games, for the most part, have better rules than DD games which already cuts down on the house edge. Better rules creates more volatility but that is what you want. Now back to the surrender clause, one of the great things about it is you can increase your top bets slightly while protecting yourself at the same time, it is just so valuable of an option.
Both CT casinos offer late surrender, double after split, no limits on re-splits, and pen is never greater than 25%.
House edge is .57 at Mohegan and .56 at Foxwoods on their low-limit tables and in the .3s at their high limit tables.
There's more then enough EV in CT, MA and RI (who all share essentially the same rules)
You do mean doubling just the 10 vs 10 with that +7 rather than +4.
Do not pass up on the 10 vs A double with the RA Indice of +4. True the dealer can re-hit multi times a possible small soft hand but you already know the remaining pack is loaded with ten value cards and the dealer cannot have one as you already lost your insurance bet.
Last edited by BoSox; 08-15-2019 at 11:26 AM.
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