Explanation needed

[ZeeBabar]

I have been playing a few local casinos over the last few months...playing 6 deck games. Two of them have a penetration of 1.2 to 1.5 deck cut odd and one, that used to be similar, now under different ownership, uses a notch and cuts of just about 35 cards. Deep penetration, standard H-17 rules.

The place where I have consistently lost is the game with the deepest penetration. Moreover, it seems they care the least. After having lost some 7 straight sessions, I just started blatantly playing 2 x $15 to start shoe, dropping to one hand of $15 at TC-1, going to 2 x $25 at TC2, 2 x $50 at TC+3 etc. No interest, no heat, the losing continues.

It just baffles me that I consistently lose. I am beginning to think the ASM is the issue. Rarely does the count go too far up or down. I know it’s not Ok on this forum to suggest ASM issues. I mean it’s the best penetration I have ever come across and I keep losing and moreover, no heat to speak off.

[refinery]

Tldr; why, blackjack, why?

[mcallister3200]

That’s a really slow/weak ramp for a shoe game. Can’t use a DD spread on a h17 shoe game and expect to win regardless of pen. Unnecessarily lengthening N_O and probably not even a winning spread. Would be on DD but you have to ramp faster than that on a shoe add more than 1-1.8 base units per TC. Great pen but still, pathetic spread for a h17 no surrender shoe game. Don’t tell me your maxing out at 2x100-150 and not getting that out until TC 5-7 like it looks like...you would have to essentially only be wonging in or avoiding any negative running count entirely to reasonably expect to have any sort of win rate ramping that slow.

Of course you’d know this if you’d just plug it into one of the pre-generated sims on cvcx. More likely explanation than the asm is they evaluated your game and know you’re counting but not using a winning spread.

[stopgambling]

He can still win with that kind of spread since the "pen" is so good. i would up it to 1 - 10 spread at least. since it is without surrender i think the game is not as good as i thought. 1- 10 spread is certainly enough.

[ZeeBabar]

That’s a really slow/weak ramp for a shoe game. Can’t use a DD spread on a h17 shoe game and expect to win regardless of pen. Unnecessarily lengthening N_O and probably not even a winning spread. Would be on DD but you have to ramp faster than that on a shoe add more than 1-1.8 base units per TC. Great pen but still, pathetic spread for a h17 no surrender shoe game. Don’t tell me your maxing out at 2x100-150 and not getting that out until TC 5-7 like it looks like...you would have to essentially only be wonging in or avoiding any negative running count entirely to reasonably expect to have any sort of win rate ramping that slow.

Of course you’d know this if you’d just plug it into one of the pre-generated sims on cvcx. More likely explanation than the asm is they evaluated your game and know you’re counting but not using a winning spread.

I will go back and try it today. I still intend to max at 2 x $90 but ramp up much more quickly. Maybe get to it at TC4, with 2 x $75 at TC 3, 2 x $50 at TC2.

[Tetn1s]

?? cvcx will tell you the right spread, get it already and stop being an idiot

[mcallister3200]

Zee id recommend editing the specifics of your last post at least. Come on man.

[Banker]

Did you expect to get heat at 2X 50 or there was a 0 missing?

[BJGenius007]

I have been playing a few local casinos over the last few months...playing 6 deck games. Two of them have a penetration of 1.2 to 1.5 deck cut odd and one, that used to be similar, now under different ownership, uses a notch and cuts of just about 35 cards. Deep penetration, standard H-17 rules.

The place where I have consistently lost is the game with the deepest penetration. Moreover, it seems they care the least. After having lost some 7 straight sessions, I just started blatantly playing 2 x $15 to start shoe, dropping to one hand of $15 at TC-1, going to 2 x $25 at TC2, 2 x $50 at TC+3 etc. No interest, no heat, the losing continues.

It just baffles me that I consistently lose. I am beginning to think the ASM is the issue. Rarely does the count go too far up or down. I know it’s not Ok on this forum to suggest ASM issues. I mean it’s the best penetration I have ever come across and I keep losing and moreover, no heat to speak off.

I am busy now but I will detail my explanation soon. Stay tuned.

[Edit] I will publish my findings on blackjackinfo.com, titled "ASM Beast Mode: Things I Learned So Far." Hope people can read it before Monday.

[refinery]

Stupidest shit ever.

You're losing, Zee, because sometimes one can go a long time without winning, even under the best conditions.

I understand all the people trying to help and address his ramp, which is woeful of course. Or OP's general stupidity when it comes to everything, but he's probably talking about a few hundred hands. Maybe a couple thousand. He's losing because blackjack.

[Frank Galvin]

Zee, at current haunt, I open shoe at $150, go up to 2*$350, and when bad enough to leave, $25 (table min) per hand. Floor sees it as roughly spreading from $150 to 2 hands, each at just more than double (2.33334).

But in reality, the spread ranges from $25 to 2 hands of $350.

Pop quiz Zee, is that a 1-14 spread? 1-28 spread, or something else? When considering this, remember, I move to 2 hands.

[Freightman]

Zee, at current haunt, I open shoe at $150, go up to 2*$350, and when bad enough to leave, $25 (table min) per hand. Floor sees it as roughly spreading from $150 to 2 hands, each at just more than double (2.33334).

But in reality, the spread ranges from $25 to 2 hands of $350.

Pop quiz Zee, is that a 1-14 spread? 1-28 spread, or something else? When considering this, remember, I move to 2 hands.

Frank, 2 questions
1. How long do you maintain your opening salvo of $150.
2. Are you heads up or do you have tablemates.

Zee, hint - the spread is something else.

[BoSox]

I am beginning to think the ASM is the issue. Rarely does the count go too far up or down.

ZeeBabar, it is not your imagination I too have seen this happen for somewhat long periods of time. You can't help but wonder if at certain times there is a presetting of cards taking place.