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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Sorry Don, but you really missed it. When I refer to hph, they’re only so many hands in a shoe, and then you’re in the next one, which may or may not be a big shoe. When you’re heads up buzzing at a very fast clip, you play a lot of hands and a lot of shoes, and when you’re playing NHC, you’re moving at an even faster clip. I don’t know about you, but I would be delighted to play 1 negative shoe for 1 positive shoe. In fact, if you want to make that 2 negative for 1 positive, I’ll take that ratio too.

    As far as backcounting goes, I’m not prepared to backcount the full lower limit tables. Further, if high limit only has 1 table open, and your heads up, either play all or play nothing. When I do share a table, I wong out where practical.
    I guess another point here is not only your spread, but how you spread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Sorry not Don but I have a concern that you could possibly be mixing up the running count interpretation with the true counts, is that the case?
    Thanks for the reply. No, I'm not confused by the running count/true count. In a situation where the TC is -4 or -5, the running count is in the -20s mid shoe (6 decks). I like to sit in the middle where the discard tray is in my line of vision. Turning my head every now and again toward the discard tray is a tell. It may be that I remember the negative shoes more, but they appear frequently in my experience. I appreciate the question ... thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LauraBlack View Post
    Thanks for the reply. No, I'm not confused by the running count/true count. In a situation where the TC is -4 or -5, the running count is in the -20s mid shoe (6 decks). I like to sit in the middle where the discard tray is in my line of vision. Turning my head every now and again toward the discard tray is a tell. It may be that I remember the negative shoes more, but they appear frequently in my experience. I appreciate the question ... thanks.
    Try sitting at 1st or 2nd base...you have clear sight of the discard tray, and you don't have to turn your head. And you can peek at the discards when the dealer and floor people aren't looking.
    And you can count all cards to your left without turning your head also.
    And make sure your deck estimation is on point...it can be tricky with 6 or 8 decks...a lot of people overestimate the TC.
    And of course I agree with Don. If you are playing shoes, you should be avoiding the negative shoes as much as possible without being too suspicious. Overcoming play all negative counts is brutal, no matter how you spread or using negative indexes. And then playing more hands per hour is stupid. If you are playing all then you are losing your money even faster.
    Try to establish yourself as a "table hopper". If you can then drink a little and let them see you.
    Just get away from those negative tables! I know it's hard...but fake a smoke break, or just leave to another table if possible, etc.
    Last edited by Counting_Is_Fun; 07-11-2019 at 09:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    That's the whole point. If mid-shoe entry is permitted, you shouldn't be sitting down to those five or six negative shoes. You should be standing, watching them, and then abandoning them when they go bad. And yes, of course, you lose the great majority of your money at high counts, not low ones. What you lose playing low counts is TIME and opportunity. That was the whole point of the optimal departure study.

    Don
    Thank you for your kind reply. I agree with everything you said. I've got to find some way to incorporate your suggestions without exhibiting the "tell" of being a counter ... any more than I already do. Thanks for taking time to respond.

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    Another tip is to play standing up, look like you need to be somewhere and constantly look at your watch. Be ready to dart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    ... I don’t know about you, but I would be delighted to play 1 negative shoe for 1 positive shoe. In fact, if you want to make that 2 negative for 1 positive, I’ll take that ratio too....
    freighty...i, too, play tons of heads up...and can get where you are coming from for, and myself, painfully, playing negative shoes....neg indices included...but the math is the math, bro...how do you think you are overcoming these odds??? luck???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharky View Post
    freighty...i, too, play tons of heads up...

    .but the math is the math, bro...how do you think you are overcoming these odds??? luck???
    Nope!
    They’re other factors. Without getting details, Parts of my gaming environment are ..........beneficial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Nope!
    They’re other factors. Without getting details, Parts of my gaming environment are ..........beneficial.
    LOL yeah of course you won't "get into any details". Because you are full of shit, just like Don called you out on again haha. You always pretend like you have some "magic plays" that no other BJ player has figured out in 50 years. Get out of here with that...the math is the math.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Counting_Is_Fun View Post
    LOL yeah of course you won't "get into any details". Because you are full of shit, just like Don called you out on again haha. You always pretend like you have some "magic plays" that no other BJ player has figured out in 50 years. Get out of here with that...the math is the math.
    The stupidest thing I hear is “the math is the math”. The problem is that you can never be “the math”. The math never has to deal with travel expenses, heat, finding a table to play, can always bet optimally, has an unlimited bankroll, never gets fatigue or distracted etc, etc.

    Freightman is right that we have to each deal with ways to play through negative counts and develop our own act. Obviously, telling you how he does it on this forum will expose him. You can’t fly to get to a casino, spend hours scouting, find a great fast dealer who gives great penetration and then walk away from that table the first time the count gets negative. You develop your own strategy of how to survive the negative counts and how to compensate the minimal losses with other strategies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RTR2021 View Post
    I must not have gotten that far yet. Am in the SCORE section...

    Don, what page in BJA do you prescribe departure points?
    Chapter 13

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