Island View. Most 6D tables, when I was there, were 6/5. FYI I had never seen a 6/5 table before in the South (saw some more at IP afterward). And the couple 3/2 tables were cutting off AT LEAST two decks. I didn't mess with their DD games for obvious reasons. But I can't think they were any better. Especially since the pit crew seemed to be overly vigilant as well. That place sucks!
Originally Posted by RTR2021
"When they make all blackjack games 6/5, expect it." - anonymous
If I was a casino operator, the first order of business would the installment of all 6/5 blackjack tables to stymie the card counting community.
Last edited by Jabberwocky; 07-06-2019 at 05:57 PM.
Well, I would au contraire reinduce 3/2 and player-friendly rules like S17, and then big advertise it, naming exactly the bad rules in other casinos and why they are so bad for the players. Maybe thus woud lead to many people running away from them and into my house - not only card counters - and thus generate huge profits due to the increased number of ploppies. /* Dream...*/
Absolutely. Many APs tolerated at reasonable stakes, bringing with them herds of ploppies is hugely profitable for the house. Those profits taken by APs are a drop in the bucket compared to those donated by the masses.
The HE plus the vast majority playing BS about 50% accurately, say...I don't know, I'm sure someone like Don has an idea...but that margin could never be offset by say 1% of patrons playing at a 1.5% edge.
If I ran a store, I'd have some juicy games...
But IV was packed...Maybe because it was around The 4th...Maybe they once had good games and the impact of moving to bad ones hasn't yet hit. Or could it be that our premise is entirely wrong - that you can run off all APs with shitty games and it will have no effect on the ploppies? That, in theory, makes sense since ploppies are indifferent to crappy games...There must be hard data on profits among stores that once offered juicy games and then tightened up pushing out nearly all AP activity...would love to see it.
This assumes that casino managements are rational, intelligent beings. Nothing could be further from the truth and it's why you continuously encounter bad rules, bad penetration, back offs and CSMs. And the Griffin Agency would have never gotten off the ground.
Last edited by Jabberwocky; 07-07-2019 at 10:20 AM.
Heard this same old tired story many times. Truth is, it just doesn't happen. Most tourists don't know, understand, or even care about 6/5 vs 3/2. Let alone CSMs, ASMs, or hand shuffle.
"I think, therfore I can't play blackjack."
Arnold Snyder, Blackbelt in Blackjack pg. 229 (2005)
Unfortunately, this is the case. While everyone wants to mention what utter assholes casino managers are (and no one reiterates this more than I), the fact is that they can't hold a candle to the collective utter stupidity of casino patrons. If we want better blackjack rules and conditions in casinos, untold millions would have to be spent on education campaigns to try to get the public to understand. Frankly, I don't think it's remotely possible. There is imply an infinite supply of imbeciles in the world.
Don
Agreed. For the average tourist/occasional player there is no motivation to care about the difference between 6/5 vs. 3/2. For the average tourist that plays $5 to $10 per hand for 1 to 2 hours of ENTERTAINMENT, the few additional dollars they will lose in EV is simply not enough to care. For the $5 flat better its only a difference of about $3 bucks per hour. Even if you could educate the masses regarding the difference between 3/2 and 6/5, I do not believe it would still make a difference. This would be equivalent to going to the movies and seeing the price of $10 to see a show. Across town its $9 bucks. Most will stay put and pay the $10. Even if a tourist was educated in the differences, they are unlikely to call the casino in advance of their trip and inquire about the table rules. People in general that are interested in saving a few bucks here and there generally never step foot in a casino. Its simply not enough of a motivation to make the change. Casinos are in the entertainment business and unfortunately cater to the masses.
Look at a game like Double zero Roulette. It has a a 5.26% house edge. This is over 10 TIMES the house edge of a good blackjack game. In most casinos these games are less than 50 yards apart. If you cant get a player to care in this scenario, there is no chance they are going to care when it comes to giving up an extra 1.3% on a 6/5 game.
As a business move, a 6/5 game is the right thing to do. Think about it, for every 3 tables you have at 3/2 you only need 1 table at 6/5 to make the same amount of money (In theory at least, I realize there are many other factors). Overall an easy decision for the casino, especially since it has become the industry standard.
Last edited by BankerCA; 07-07-2019 at 04:28 PM.
Regarding Roulette, Europe is far better than the US, but single-zero roulette still has a house edge of 2.7 percent for numbers and 1.35 percent for red/black etc. And it is boring to only change the bets and endure a constant house edge.
What is astonishing me is that 6/5 shall have become industry standard so quickly (also for shoe games?). I thought even tourists should know the classic is 3 to 2, because it was printed on every table. Do they replace it by 6 to 5 everywhere and nobody is questioning that? Every blackjack felt you can buy in internet shops still says "3 to 2". But hey, they also sell classic shoes and no CSMs in their shops...
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