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    Quote Originally Posted by krly View Post
    NEWBIE...pt.2 Thanks for ll the remarks so far. 1 other question. I live in So-Cal so Vegas will be my initial "home base". If I want to play shoes, which B.S. chart would be best to start with 6 or 8 deck and dealer hit or stand on all/or soft 17's ? When I said,"newbie" I wasn't kidding. Have played craps before buy have never played a game of blackjack. Again, I appreciate your taking the time to reply.
    I think the answer is in your question. Which game and rules do you plan on playing? If you're uncertain about the games in your area, go find out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krly View Post
    If I want to play shoes, which B.S. chart would be best to start with 6 or 8 deck and dealer hit or stand on all/or soft 17's ? When I said,"newbie" I wasn't kidding.
    I think you know that you just stated that you essentially know nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wave View Post
    @ Freightman if you knew how much my "tuition" cost, you would probably modify your position slightly. Understood and agreed that live play is much different from simulated games and books, but I did not have OP's moxy to even ask for anyone's advice. A little more prep was in order in my case.
    I can only comment if I knew how You approached it. You clearly believe you approached it wrong. If you like, tell us about it. You’ll likely get some pretty good response.

    I know how I did it, and I have no qualms. I was pretty motivated at the time.

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    Freightman, a 1000% with you. You cant entirely learn how to drive on a highway, practicing in your driveway and the same goes for card counting.

    one way I differ from others is that I say, use a card in your local casinos when you are still starting to learn as they would come to know you from your daily visits. You will be making mistakes and it helps you. I ended up getting regular meal comps and then room comps in LasVegas, MS and LA. Once You go outside your area, you can use the comps to stay, go out and play anonymously.

    There are are strategies to how you play when using a card once you get more accomplished (booking losses, keeping wins small, etc).

    I made mistakes that got me on a database and unwelcome at local casinos but if I had to start all over again, I would still get a card, just not make some mistakes using it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wave View Post
    Pass...way too embarassing.
    The important thing is to recognize, as you already have, that you fucked up. Learn from it, come back, and thrash them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krly View Post
    Ok...here we go. I'll be playing mostly shoe games. I've decided, that once I learn B.S. that I'll be using the KO method. Regarding B.S. I've just read "Burning The Tables In Las Vegas" and had a question regarding chapters 7 and 9 where he goes over "covers" and "guises".
    First, let me say welcome to the board. Now regarding that book, you are reading I strongly feel that is not the right book "more geared for high stakes play" for as you say in the title of the thread complete newbie. A much more appropriate choice would be something like Stanford Wong's Professional Blackjack or Blackbelt In Blackjack by Arnold Synder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Splitting Tens View Post
    The OP said he's not counting, yet. So, he should be flat betting and not able to Wong yet. I prefer to practice in a casino than on a computer - which I find boring.
    I would suggest that he accept that he will lose moneymy ip birthday wishes tneb as he learns and just play very small stakes....
    My recommendation would be to remain patient and don't start playing for $ until you have both BS and KO down pat. After that, I would not play with cover or a card and stick to short sessions and include Wonging and table hopping as part of my overall strategy.
    Last edited by mopakarim3400; 07-05-2019 at 01:11 PM.

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    No, they aren't wise. If you're playing basic strategy while counting a skills check will likely say you're an error prone non-advantage player.

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    By not using at least the top 18 index plays you're leaving ~20% of your possible win rate on the table depending on the game rules and pen. Why would you put money at risk doing that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigplayer View Post
    If you're playing basic strategy while counting a skills check will likely say you're an error prone non-advantage player
    Are you saying we're labeled as error-prone by playing the deviations or by NOT playing the deviations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey View Post
    Are you saying we're labeled as error-prone by playing the deviations or by NOT playing the deviations?
    By NOT playing the deviations. If the index is to Hit on 12 vs 6 and you Stand as per basic strategy the casino will consider that a mistake...because it is a mistake. I guess if throwing the casino off your scent is a goal then it's a success....but you can use index play and be more selective with cover choices and accomplish much the same.

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    By NOT playing the deviations. If the index is to Hit on 12 vs 6 and you Stand as per basic strategy the casino will consider that a mistake...because it is a mistake. I guess if throwing the casino off your scent is a goal then it's a success....but you can use index play and be more selective with cover choices and accomplish much the same.

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    In the stores that I tend to frequent, I never really regarded surveillance as being good enough to catch onto deviations. On my most recent sojourn, a critter (whom I mentor on occasion) made some unusual comments - he had likely been obviously informed of a 13 v 5 hit, as well as a non ace ace split on 1 particular shoe.

    I normally played heads up, however, I had 2 or 3 shoes with players on either side of me, each playing 2 spots. Heads up, I play a lot of nuances, however, when playing at an essentially full table, there is no time for artistry, and one must take immediate action. I won a $25 bet on the second last hand of a shoe, going to 2x150 (wanted to go more) on the last hand, doubling one of the hands, winning all.

    I’ve considered sending the critter a text asking if I set off any alarm bells.

    Sometimes, it’s just tough to figure out what’s going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigplayer View Post
    By NOT playing the deviations.
    Thankyou for clarifying

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