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    Down Under Blackjack

    I never heard of it before until I noticed it listed on Sevenwinds casino's web site. Can this game be beaten? If so it looks like there is a lot to learn with three new basic strategies to learn.

    I was hoping to make a trip to this casino in the near future, but I want regular blackjack. This casino is small and I'm afraid this might be the only blackjack table open. Has anybody played this game? Damn, this does look like a fun game.

    https://www.sevenwindscasino.com/gaming/table-games-2/

    https://wizardofodds.com/games/down-under-blackjack/

    Last edited by Midwest Player; 06-18-2019 at 01:49 PM.

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    I played it for small stakes, and it is countable.

    Here's the problem, though. If you know the dealer has a 20, (which you do, because they double expose if both cards are tens) and you have less, you're going to hit. So is everyone.

    The deck is depleted faster. High count situations come and go faster, more like double deck and less like six deck.

    High count instances are also smaller, due to everyone hitting their stiffs. Think about it; people are hitting and busting their 19s, because otherwise they lose. In a high count situation, that's a wasted 10.

    Then add it it the push 22. Not only does this help the casino HE, it alters the way you should play if the dealer has a 2 up.

    I give it two thumbs down.

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    I will add my silky soft feet; and give it four thumbs down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkinnyBJplayer View Post
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    I don't think it is as bad as everyone is making it out to be. It is kind of a modified version of double exposure, and double exposure is a very beatable game. In double exposure dealer takes all ties. In this game on a dealer 22 everyone remaining pushes. House edge is 0.57 on this game while a 6 deck h17, das, rsa, game house edge is 0.56. The big advantage in this game is on doubling. With your 11 or 10 you wouldn't double down if you know the dealer has a high hole card with a 7 thru ace. I'm also guessing game variance will be lower on this game than regular blackjack.

    Years ago my local casino offered double exposure for awhile. I learned the basic strategy for this game as presented in Professional Blackjack and did quite well on it. In fact, for a while my biggest win record was on double exposure. I do remember one guy refusing to hit his 20 against the dealer 20 saying he was only going to break anyway and to just take his money. What an idiot.

    I do think the casinos are making money hand over fist on this game as most folks don't know how to play it. It would take some effort to memorize basic strategy for this game, but if you have this game available nearby it might be worthwhile to learn it.

    It would be nice if someone could sim this game to see how good it actually is.
    Last edited by Midwest Player; 06-20-2019 at 07:39 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    I don't think it is as bad as everyone is making it out to be. It is kind of a modified version of double exposure, and double exposure is a very beatable game. In double exposure dealer takes all ties. In this game on a dealer 22 everyone remaining pushes. House edge is 0.57 on this game while a 6 deck h17, das, rsa, game house edge is 0.56. The big advantage in this game is on doubling. With your 11 or 10 you wouldn't double down if you know the dealer has a high hole card with a 7 thru ace. I'm also guessing game variance will be lower on this game than regular blackjack.

    Years ago my local casino offered double exposure for awhile. I learned the basic strategy for this game as presented in Professional Blackjack and did quite well on it. In fact, for a while my biggest win record was on double exposure. I do remember one guy refusing to hit his 20 against the dealer 20 saying he was only going to break anyway and to just take his money. What an idiot.

    I do think the casinos are making money hand over fist on this game as most folks don't know how to play it. It would take some effort to memorize basic strategy for this game, but if you have this game available nearby it might be worthwhile to learn it.

    It would be nice if someone could sim this game to see how good it actually is.
    First, the HE for double exposure is AT LEAST a .67, due to the dealer wins all pushes rule. Other rules can add to that, such as double restrictions, etc.

    Second, I'm not sure the guy not hitting a 20 was an idiot. If you're in a high count situation, you're either going to bust or remove an ace. Now if the next card is a 5, you put yourself in a better situation for the next round. But if it's a 10 you just took a valuable card out of play.

    Lastly, I tried to sim it but couldn't figure out how to impose the rule that the player hits until they (presumably) beat the dealer. For example, I couldn't make the computer hit a 17 if the dealer had a 20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCJH View Post
    First, the HE for double exposure is AT LEAST a .67, due to the dealer wins all pushes rule. Other rules can add to that, such as double restrictions, etc.
    I don't think the house edge is that high. Professional Blackjack mentions 0.60% for an h17 game, but like you say other rules could increase or decrease that edge. However, each count per deck is worth 0.7% at double exposure compared to only 0.5% at regular blackjack.

    Maybe Dog Hand could figure out how to sim this game or anyone else who is good at programing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCJH View Post
    I played it for small stakes, and it is countable.

    Here's the problem, though. If you know the dealer has a 20, (which you do, because they double expose if both cards are tens) and you have less, you're going to hit. So is everyone.

    The deck is depleted faster. High count situations come and go faster, more like double deck and less like six deck.

    High count instances are also smaller, due to everyone hitting their stiffs. Think about it; people are hitting and busting their 19s, because otherwise they lose. In a high count situation, that's a wasted 10.

    Then add it it the push 22. Not only does this help the casino HE, it alters the way you should play if the dealer has a 2 up.

    I give it two thumbs down.
    Can I assume you had a losing session? I called this place and asked them if you are allowed to use a basic strategy chart at the table, and they said yes. It might help until you get a feel for the game. What was the main thing that turned you off about the game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    Can I assume you had a losing session? I called this place and asked them if you are allowed to use a basic strategy chart at the table, and they said yes. It might help until you get a feel for the game. What was the main thing that turned you off about the game?
    Nah, I won. It just wasn't worth the time or exposure.

    Since the high count situations came and went so quickly,
    I was raising and lowering my bet rather quickly. Everyone hitting their stiffs depleted the tens.

    If you're going to play it you've got to get your big bets out fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    It would be nice if someone could sim this game to see how good it actually is.
    I give this game a two thumbs up. However, one thing bothers me. The Wizard of Odds only calculated the Hit-17 game, but I want both the Hit-17 and Stand-17 versions. Can anybody help calculate it?

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