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    Cool Oklahoma casinos

    Oklahoma has the reputation of being bad for advantage players due to the ante. I've noticed quite a few casinos there pay for your ante, especially further away from the larger cities. Does anyone have comments or opinions?

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    It is very clear that you can be 86'd from OK casinos because they are
    all Native American properties that "skim" money for the tribal elders.

    In general, if you are not greedy at all and toke a bit with regularity,
    and do not spend too many hours playing you will have no problems.

    I have played in OK. State law forbids the casinos to profit from BJ,
    so they must return said revenue in the form of monthly "free roll"
    tournaments - exclusively for local players who are regular patrons.
    They do not report their aggregate profits.
    Thus they are free to pocket
    some of the money.
    Now you know why they will back-off good players!
    Think about it.
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    Last edited by SkinnyBJplayer; 06-14-2019 at 12:19 PM.

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    NOTE: some of the OK casinos on 'slow' days - no ante is taken, so no player's cards are required.
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    I noticed in the movie "inside the edge", KC avoided all OK casinos. They didn't give an reason but, I would guess it's because of heat.
    Sweaty or not, there are a lot of BJ games in OK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shockerman View Post
    I noticed in the movie "inside the edge", KC avoided all OK casinos. They didn't give an reason but, I would guess it's because of heat.
    Sweaty or not, there are a lot of BJ games in OK.
    Think of it this way.
    Six degenerate losers are taking up an entire BJ table, each playing $3 a hand at a min $3 table, each paying an ante of $.50 per hand. The slow pace of the game is limiting each player to a max of 60 hands per hour, or 360 hands total for the table per hour. This equates to $180 per hour in antes, on a game with lousy rules, and still lousier players, each giving up 1-1.5% on their individual action of $180 per hour. At an average of 1.25% house edge per player, this equating to individual player losses of $16.20 per hour plus $30 per hour in antes.

    Get the picture?

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    BJ in ante-land ranges from honey holes to hell holes.

    There are some phenomenal games there, BUT they come with low table maxes. Great for the local guys to pass an evening, not so great for someone wanting to make real money. I built my initial bankroll playing these games.

    There is H17 and S17, both with and without an ante. Some places have no-ante days. Others are always no-ante if you play rated.

    There are tolerant stores and sweatshops. The tolerant stores might not database you, but even they will flyer. Dumb move getting flyered and/or databased for inconsequential stakes. As I said, they cater to the local folk.

    And the locals do get backed off, but not databased or flyered. So they can go next door and try again. Small sample size I one, but I personally know about a dozen counters backed off in Ante-land, and the only ones databased were out-of-town folks.

    Table games are suppose to be break-even for the casino. They cannot profit from them, hence the ante. (The dealers have to get paid, right? And someone has to pay the light bill...) Table game profits are routinely given back in the form of hot seats, car drawings, and the like. Those giveaways may or may not be on the level, but they are sufficient for the law.

    As for Zee's trip report on another thread, it is accurate and not accurate at the same time. Ante-land players I'm sure noticed, but didn't correct. That's kind of how it works in that part of the world.

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    If you are in a store that pays the ante out of the players pool as a promotion. You are essentially playing a "normal" BJ game, though it usually requires a player card to be eligible for the "waived ante" but not always, I have played at shops in OK that extended waived ante to a refusal. If paying the ante you can still beat the game if you stakes are high enough, which can difficult given region has lower table maxes overall.

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