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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    I now wait, with baited breath, for your defence of the irrational and substandard Zeeish behaviours.
    No, you wait with BATED breath. Surprised, eh? :-)

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dbs6582 View Post
    21forme, in case you haven’t read any of Arnold Synder’s books, I’d argue this shows the strength of Zee’s game. Zee is able to play and “get away with it”. Anybody can play and get thrown out quickly. That takes no talent.
    Now there is some real baiting going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    Surprised, eh? :-)
    Didn't know you spoke Canadian, but I'm not surprised...

    Quote Originally Posted by Dbs6582 View Post
    21forme, in case you haven’t read any of Arnold Synder’s books, I’d argue this shows the strength of Zee’s game. Zee is able to play and “get away with it”. Anybody can play and get thrown out quickly. That takes no talent.

    Btw, did you attend one of the BJA Bootcamps? This is their strategy. Play with no cover and expect the backoff and then rinse and repeat at the next casino.
    Normally I don't see your posts, as you're on my ignore list (as is Zee), but when somebody else quotes it (you owe me, Bosox ), I do see it. So I'll respond this one time.

    Yes, I've read Synder's books, a long time ago.

    No, I've never attended a BJA boot camp. I've been doing this a long time and have no need to. I once met Colin at a BJ table, purely by accident. He quickly recognized my play as that of an AP and promptly moved to another table, as "AP etiquette" dictates.

    Freightman summed it up well, so no need for me to add anything further regarding your errant analysis. Unlike Freightman, I am not waiting with bated breath for your reply nor the subsequent trolling you will surely provide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Of course he gets “away with it”.

    He is self confessed to poor spreads, bad ramping, frightened to put the money out, ignores or does not know correct index play, avoids the correct play as in doubles and splits if it means putting more max bets on the table, leaves high count shoes in case it erodes profits - plus I’m sure they’re are also second class habits as part of his playing arsenal.

    I now wait, with baited breath, for your defence of the irrational and substandard Zeeish behaviours.
    Freightman, your wait is over, I’m hear to reply to another one of misguided posts. I replied correctly to the post Zee made. As usual, you went off on one of your tangents that had nothing to do with the topic at hand. I’m assuming you do this to show everybody how smart you are, who knows?

    Please, reread Zee’s post. It was well written. Zee said he has playing a 25 DD game with a conservative 1 to 5 spread, when someone bozo sat down and started spreading 1 to 12 (25 to 300). This bozo got thrown out after one shoe, while Zee got to still play. Zee then chuckled, which I would have probably also done. The idoit deserved to get thrown out.

    Here’s a little tip for you (and the BJA group): You can’t make money if they don’t let you play the game. Zee was playing after one shoe...this bozo was not. Who knows, maybe this bozo went to one of the BJA bootcamps, because this is what they teach...spread big and don’t worry about backoffs, there’s always another casino down the road.

    Btw, all your comments about Zee’s other plays were irrelevant to the point Zee was trying to make in this post, which was a very good one.

    My advice to you going forward: Stick to the subject at hand and don’t go off into all of your side tangents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Now there is some real baiting going on.
    Okay, who here is a journeyman bater?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dbs6582 View Post
    Freightman, your wait is over, I’m hear to reply to another one of misguided posts. I replied correctly to the post Zee made. As usual, you went off on one of your tangents that had nothing to do with the topic at hand. I’m assuming you do this to show everybody how smart you are, who knows?

    Please, reread Zee’s post. It was well written. Zee said he has playing a 25 DD game with a conservative 1 to 5 spread, when someone bozo sat down and started spreading 1 to 12 (25 to 300). This bozo got thrown out after one shoe, while Zee got to still play. Zee then chuckled, which I would have probably also done. The idoit deserved to get thrown out.

    Here’s a little tip for you (and the BJA group): You can’t make money if they don’t let you play the game. Zee was playing after one shoe...this bozo was not. Who knows, maybe this bozo went to one of the BJA bootcamps, because this is what they teach...spread big and don’t worry about backoffs, there’s always another casino down the road.

    Btw, all your comments about Zee’s other plays were irrelevant to the point Zee was trying to make in this post, which was a very good one.

    My advice to you going forward: Stick to the subject at hand and don’t go off into all of your side tangents.
    Mr. Contrary
    As usual, you prefer to bypass the salient points to support your misguided narrative. Zee doesn’t get the relationship between penetration and spread. I happen to like Zee, but you extolling his virtues as a player is a disservice to the forum. I’ve crushed double deck games 25-125 under good conditions. I’ve also crushed tolerant shitty double deck with 1x25-2x500.

    For shits and giggles, I’ll briefly analyze my current month shoe results on 13.25 hours of play (somewhat heavy for me), to demonstrate good comportment coupled with superior results.

    Approx 3 hours of driving time, to and from, for 1-3 hour session yielding $2800 - expenses of probably $30.
    One 2 day trip, encompassing 5 sessions, with 5 wins, for 10.25 hours yielding $5800- expense of probably $350.

    I will continue to be welcomed back, as a known counter, perceived as being inconsistent with poor deck estimation. Let me assure you, however, that I know exactly what I’m doing. My last backoff was my own damned fault, having raked a first shoe of absolutely ideal deck composition yielding a 7k shoe.

    You’re really pathetic trolling the forum, espousing continual contrary material misleading newbies, in order to satisfy your own misguided perversion of what pleasures you.

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    I should add that Zees double deck spread would have been the same, wheather heads up or full table, wheather 50 or 75% cut

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Now there is some real baiting going on.
    Yes, some would call it master baiting. :-)

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dbs6582 View Post
    Freightman, your wait is over, I’m hear to reply to another one of misguided posts. I replied correctly to the post Zee made. As usual, you went off on one of your tangents that had nothing to do with the topic at hand.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dbs6582 View Post
    Btw, all your comments about Zee’s other plays were irrelevant to the point Zee was trying to make in this post, which was a very good one.

    My advice to you going forward: Stick to the subject at hand and don’t go off into all of your side tangents.

    Quote Originally Posted by Freightman View Post
    Of course he gets “away with it”.

    He is self confessed to poor spreads, bad ramping, frightened to put the money out, ignores or does not know correct index play, avoids the correct play as in doubles and splits if it means putting more max bets on the table, leaves high count shoes in case it erodes profits - plus I’m sure they’re are also second class habits as part of his playing arsenal.

    Dbs, people who take the game seriously also pay attention to who is doing the talking. What you state as Freighter sidestepping into tangents and stick to the subject at hand is ignoring the complete picture. The freighter's very KIND response whether diverted or not was true and accurate and speaks for itself. Please look at reality for a change, you may enjoy reading trips reports from your favorite poster and think that he knows his shit but it appears you are always just trolling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    Dbs, people who take the game seriously also pay attention to who is doing the talking. What you state as Freighter sidestepping into tangents and stick to the subject at hand is ignoring the complete picture. The freighter's very KIND response whether diverted or not was true and accurate and speaks for itself. Please look at reality for a change, you may enjoy reading trips reports from your favorite poster and think that he knows his shit but it appears you are always just trolling.
    Bosox, my reply was in reference to the post at hand. Zee made an excellent post, stating that he got to still play, while spreading 1-5, while another Bozo AP got kicked out after only one shoe, spreading 1-12. Zee also said this was a DD game, which was an important piece of information.

    People who “take the game seriously” should understand that spreading 1-12 is not a good idea on DD if you want to have any kind of longevity at a casino. Zee gave a classic example for why this is the case. And he ended his post with a “chuckle, chuckle”, which was a nice touch, illustrating how stupid this AP was.

    Bosox, it appears you are having the same problem that your idol, Freightman, is having, and that is staying on topic. Freightman went off on a lengthy rant about some bad plays Zee has made in the past, as if that was somehow relevant to the post at hand. For the record, it was not.

    You went on your own little rant about how I like Zee’s trip report, which also was not relevant to the topic at hand. Yes, I like Zee’s trip reports, but this has nothing to do with why I defended him in this thread.

    If it makes you feel better calling it “trolling” when someone defends an excellent post, then go for it. Being on these forums, I’ve come to find out in the AP world when someone doesn’t agree with someone else they usually label it as “trolling”. In the real world, it’s called having a different opinion. It’s what makes our country great. Freedom of speech, and being able to express our opinions, even when they might be different than someone else’s.

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