Roulette Timing Predictor

**blueman** · 06-06-2019, 10:13 PM

http://jafcoroulette.com

Is This even legal anywhere in the world? What's the point in having this website?

**ummagumma** · 06-06-2019, 11:56 PM

I've done a day with John, who runs Jafco, and he's not only a genuine guy but an amazing VB (visual ballistics) exponent. Using a timer is not illegal as far as I'm aware and after practice you don't need one.
Years ago I met a guy (again called John) in Salt Lake City who'd built a roulette tracking computer that was able to generate a 40% edge and while he practiced with it he realized he could recognise patterns similar to those of Laurence Scott (he called them marching patterns). Eventually I met up with John and his brother in Vegas a year or so afterwards and we made around $30,000 in a couple of hours. John signalled to his brother and I and we placed the bets. Roulette, in the hands of a VB expert and at the correctly chosen tables, is much more profitable than blackjack. I would have no hesitation in recommending Jafco's site....Hope that answers your query....

**conte543** · 06-07-2019, 02:37 AM

Originally Posted by blueman

http://jafcoroulette.com

Is This even legal anywhere in the world? What's the point in having this website?

"FAKE NEWS!" (Donald trump)

**Norm** · 06-07-2019, 03:48 AM

A timing device in the US would certainly be illegal.

**ummagumma** · 06-07-2019, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by Norm

A timing device in the US would certainly be illegal.

What, including a watch, which his timing device is ?

**Norm** · 06-07-2019, 08:16 AM

Interesting question. The old trick poker players would use is to put a cigarette lighter on the table, allowing them to see cards in the reflection. The way the device is used is what matters. The law states: It is unlawful for any person at a licensed gaming establishment to use, or possess with the intent to use, any device to assist: 1. In projecting the outcome of the game.

That would seem to apply.

**ummagumma** · 06-07-2019, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by Norm

Interesting question. The old trick poker players would use is to put a cigarette lighter on the table, allowing them to see cards in the reflection. The way the device is used is what matters. The law states: It is unlawful for any person at a licensed gaming establishment to use, or possess with the intent to use, any device to assist: 1. In projecting the outcome of the game.

That would seem to apply.

It's a straightforward Casio wristwatch with haptic feedback. How on earth could they prove you were doing anything except wearing a watch ? Any case would not stand up in court if they were even to think of objecting to you wearing a watch which I doubt they would.

**Norm** · 06-07-2019, 08:27 AM

The original law was specifically aimed at simple reflective or optical objects. A cigarette case would be illegal.

**DSchles** · 06-07-2019, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by ummagumma

It's a straightforward Casio wristwatch with haptic feedback. How on earth could they prove you were doing anything except wearing a watch ? Any case would not stand up in court if they were even to think of objecting to you wearing a watch which I doubt they would.

I'm not a lawyer, but your argument is specious. It isn't illegal to walk around with a screwdriver. It's just illegal to use it to puncture someone's heart!

Wearing a watch is NOT the issue. Using it to time a roulette wheel to predict the outcome of the game will wind you up in jail. Not even worth discussing any further.

Don

**ummagumma** · 06-07-2019, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by DSchles

Not even worth discussing any further.

Thank you for your opinion. However, mine differs from yours. (a) why would a casino think of looking at your watch ? and (b) how could they prove you were using it with an illegal intent ?

**Norm** · 06-07-2019, 09:20 AM

The question was is it illegal. Most murders aren't solved. That doesn't make murder legal.

As to why they would look at your watch, the same reason they banned smartphones for a time. Now we have smart watches. The Keith Taft's only visible device was in a belt buckle.

**ummagumma** · 06-07-2019, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by drunk

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I have an idea which I have not tried - and I'm thinking you guys will probably shoot it down - but I'll put it out there anyway

instead of visual prediction - auditory prediction

as the roulette wheel slows down the sound of the wheel changes significantly

my idea is that if you have very good hearing - for example if you are a musician - you could key in on exactly the sound the wheel is making when there are 4 revolutions left to go

so, when there are exactly 4 revolutions left to go by watching what number the ball is at you will know at least approximately or maybe better than approximately where on the wheel the ball will drop off

This has been tried

**ummagumma** · 06-07-2019, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by Norm

The question was is it illegal. Most murders aren't solved. That doesn't make murder legal.

As to way they would look at your watch, the same reason they banned smartphones for a time. Now we have smart watches. The Keith Taft's only visible device was in a belt buckle.

I think in the US you're innocent until proven guilty and I'd like to see a lawyer prove guilty intent using a normal analogue, readily available and popular watch.