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    Pit Boss Ruling

    First base seat. I had a $100 bet, I double down, and I win. Dealer pays me (everything is in green chips).I pulled back the $200 that I had won, but I accidentally left two stack of $100, side by side in the betting circle.Dealer pulls out the first card of the next round, exposed the card (2 of clubs), and he realized that my chips are not stacked correctly in the betting circle. He kind of paused, he didn't put the card on the felt yet, but I saw the card, and the player next to me saw it also. The Pit Supervisor was called over, and he immediately refused to make any ruling (says he doesn't know the rule, what a wuss!). I've had some very favorable rulings at this store with bigger bets out there, so I told them that I didn't care whether it's going to be ruled a $200 bet or a $100 bet. We waited 10 minutes while the Pit Boss calls/discusses with surveillance. Pit boss tells me the bets were in the betting circle, dealer motioned for all bets to be down, he made some analogy that its like a bet in roulette, etc. Ruling is a $200 bet. Is this ruling fair? Or was I the wuss, and should I have fought harder?

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    If you didn't care, why fight it? And if you had any edge, you shouldn't care.

    Save pitboss battles for stuff that really matters to you.

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    Similar thing happened to me today, except the dealer accidentally began while I only had a tiny bet in the circle, below the table min. I had a 4, and the dealers 7 was exposed. She stopped, before dealing my second card, and said, "that's not enough" waiting for me to put in the rest to meet the table min. But because she already started dealing, accepting my action, I refused, saying she already started. Had my card been favourable, of course I would have increased by bet to meet the min. Ended up winning the hand anyways, nonetheless did the right thing.

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    Yule
    It’s not a bet until there is a single stack of chips. If the card was exposed, the next person should get it. Situation allows the casino to show their good side, and make favourable player rulings (Don, please don’t gag).

    CountinCanadian
    The dealer in this circumstance, is obligated to remind you of table min, and is further obligated to accept the deficient wager.

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    I had $200 bet and the dealer had 10. After I played my hand to 17 the dealer found out that she had a blackjack. The pit boss returned my money. Not sure why, as it made no difference to me, but it was a good customer service. In the case of OP, it should have been obvious to everyone that the bet is only a 100 and should have returned the other 100. So, that is more of an ignorant way to handle the situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banker View Post
    it should have been obvious to everyone that the bet is only a 100 and should have returned the other 100. So, that is more of an ignorant way to handle the situation.
    agree. so there's more to just counting cards . it is game played by people .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banker View Post
    it should have been obvious to everyone that the bet is only a 100 and should have returned the other 100.
    I'm not sure why you would say that. It's not obvious at all to me. He already pulled back his winnings. And he left two stacks of $100 in the betting circle. The dealer should have asked him if he was betting the $200. Failing that, he might have automatically stacked it all up as a $200 bet. But it certainly isn't the least bit obvious that, looking at this, someone would come to the conclusion that "it should have been obvious to everyone that the bet is only a 100." That simply isn't true.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    I'm not sure why you would say that. It's not obvious at all to me. He already pulled back his winnings. And he left two stacks of $100 in the betting circle. The dealer should have asked him if he was betting the $200. Failing that, he might have automatically stacked it all up as a $200 bet. But it certainly isn't the least bit obvious that, looking at this, someone would come to the conclusion that "it should have been obvious to everyone that the bet is only a 100." That simply isn't true.

    Don
    Agree.

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    The player should of spoke up and said he only wanted to bet $100. He would have probably got his wish. No way should this have taken 10 minutes to resolve this issue. The pit should of ruled what ever the player wanted to do was fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stopgambling View Post
    agree. so there's more to just counting cards . it is game played by people .
    I believe Moses has the copyrights or Trademark to the following statement:

    "
    Blackjack is a game of people played with cards."


    It's right up there with:

    Do not play blackjack unless you know the SCORE by Don S. Don, I hope you can take a joke?
    Last edited by BoSox; 06-06-2019 at 06:08 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Player View Post
    The player should of spoke up
    The player should have spoken up

    Just tyring to save Don some work...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    I'm not sure why you would say that. It's not obvious at all to me. He already pulled back his winnings. And he left two stacks of $100 in the betting circle. The dealer should have asked him if he was betting the $200. Failing that, he might have automatically stacked it all up as a $200 bet. But it certainly isn't the least bit obvious that, looking at this, someone would come to the conclusion that "it should have been obvious to everyone that the bet is only a 100." That simply isn't true.

    Don
    The reason I said it was "obvious" is because of common occurrence. This type of incident happens so frequently and in the vast majority of cases, when alerted, the player pulls back their winning bet and keep the original. So, the common assumption rule would apply. From the technical or "legal" stand point, the casino is correct in that the chips in the circle represent the bet, no matter how they were stacked or not. But it is not a customer friendly service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banker View Post
    The reason I said it was "obvious" is because of common occurrence. This type of incident happens so frequently and in the vast majority of cases, when alerted, the player pulls back their winning bet and keep the original. So, the common assumption rule would apply. From the technical or "legal" stand point, the casino is correct in that the chips in the circle represent the bet, no matter how they were stacked or not. But it is not a customer friendly service.
    i would agree with you . I recalled an incident that a driver ran a stop sign without stopping but only slowing down . The driver was ticketed by a police . The driver went to court and WON the dispute , stating he did so at 3am in the morning at a non busy intersection. Rules and laws are meant to be clear cut but real situation often needs a judge. So i don't agree with the ruling with this bj play and doesn't seemed to be the norms from my limited experience.
    Last edited by stopgambling; 06-06-2019 at 08:11 AM.

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