Backoff Legal Rights

[SoCalStealth]

Casino employees have no more "authority" over you than do Wal-Mart greeters. This might help:

http://www.thebeargrowls.com/?p=73

That was helpful, thank you.

[Mickey]

*simple 1-3 bet spread, playing one spot.
*Table minimum was $25. My bet range was 25-100.

I'm no math genius, but wouldn't that be a 1-4 spread?

[CountinCanadian]

It was a double deck S17 DAS RSA game with 1 deck penetration

*late Monday/early Tuesday
*I played for four hours in high limit
*simple 1-3 bet spread, playing one spot.
*Table minimum was $25. My bet range was 25-100.
* no drinks, just some coffee.


I was in there by myself, and actually had some good conversations with the dealer and even the pit boss between shoes about the UCLA women's softball. Behavior was normal, just started winning.
My original concern was more that when I asked security if it was mandatory that they collect information he got angry and insisted on it.

Playing 4 hours was surely your problem. With a 1-4 spread you shouldn't be getting backed off. Must've played so long and they had nothing better to do than monitor you and plenty of time to confirm you were counting

[hitthat16]

I have a pretty good guess as to where this game is, and if I’m right it’s at a corporately owned casino. In this case like someone before me mentioned, the employees there have as much right to detain you as a Walmart greeter, in other words none. Just cause they’re wearing suits doesn’t mean they have the right to keep you around against your will if you’ve done nothing wrong. Just leave quietly, briskly, and leave as little memorabilia about you as possible. The chips are just gonna have to wait.

[Midwest Player]

Works on MS Edge, but not working on Firefox.

Same for me. I couldn't get it on Firefox, but got it with MS Edge. I'm glad I wasn't the only one.

[RTR2021]

Playing 4 hours was surely your problem. With a 1-4 spread you shouldn't be getting backed off. Must've played so long and they had nothing better to do than monitor you and plenty of time to confirm you were counting

This was my initial reaction, and I agree with it. I steer clear of long sessions in empty casinos. Especially when they don't know me.

[cc12b]

If it's an Indian casino, you have no rights.

SoCalStealth. The handle name implies that he/she is from Southern California where all casinos are in Indian Reserve lands. I could be wrong.

[SkinnyBJplayer]

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1 to 4 in a game with 0.19% for a House Edge is what I did in black for many years.
One hand off the top with $200. Walking when +$900 or -$900. I won 72.5% of the time.
and led a reasonable middle-class existence in Las Vegas. Crunch the simple numbers for
an approximation of an averaged day's income.

Still ... if you do not toke, or if you play too many hours on a shift, or for too many days,
the backoff will be late -- but inevitable. Incidentally, I flourished betting Black using a
Level Two Count with two Side Counts ... Aces and Sevens. If I was lazy my efforts would
have resulted in paltry rewards.
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[Stealth]

Playing double deck is the most identifiable counting game out there in todays world. Playing over an hour with mechanical betting patterns is stupid, yes stupid, and will get you thrown out very fast.

Getting tresspassed is not normal for a first backoff (unless team related) at a store. You must have engaged them or displayed some other egregious behavior....?

As posted earlier, they have no rights to detain or photo you, just take your chips and leave, do not even respond to their questions or comments. Walk, don't run, out the nearest door and get off their property. There is no benefit to you by engaging them in any manner after a negative event has started.

If in an Indian property, they may be more aggressive and less concerned about your "rights"!