Backoff Legal Rights

[SoCalStealth]

First time card counting and the back off happens. I was trespassed and had the option to either give them my info or take a photo which I was told was mandatory and had no choice. Pretty bummed because I enjoy the buffet and some of the concerts.

Do I legally have to let them take my photo when I am being trespassed? I kinda just wanted to tell the security guards, "nah, I'm just going to cash in and leave", but I do not know which side of the law that would fall under.


*Additional information based on comments*

It was a double deck S17 DAS RSA game with 1 deck penetration

*late Monday/early Tuesday
*I played for four hours in high limit
*simple 1-4 bet spread, playing one spot.
*Table minimum was $25. My bet range was 25-100.
* no drinks, just some coffee.


I was in there by myself, and actually had some good conversations with the dealer and even the pit boss between shoes about the UCLA women's softball. Behavior was normal, just started winning.
My original concern was more that when I asked security if it was mandatory that they collect information he got angry and insisted on it.

second update
Night two of playing blackjack in my career and decide to go over to another casino, only to find out I am barred there even before I place a bet. Crazy.

[Freightman]

First time card counting and the back off happens. I was trespassed and had the option to either give them my info or take a photo which I was told was mandatory and had no choice. Pretty bummed because I enjoy the buffet and some of the concerts.

Do I legally have to let them take my photo when I am being trespassed? I kinda just wanted to tell the security guards, "nah, I'm just going to cash in and leave", but I do not know which side of the law that would fall under.

First time? What did you do to get trashed so quick.

Keep heading to the doorway and say you want to leave. Don’t go to the back room. Dont consent to a photograph. Sign nothing. Depending on venue, don’t cash out. Just keep saying you want to leave.

They have no legal right to detain you (we are talking about counting, not behaviour related). If you are surrounded, manhandled in any way, then go to the back room, under duress.

[21forme]

First time? What did you do to get trashed so quick.

Keep heading to the doorway and say you want to leave. Don’t go to the back room. Dont consent to a photograph. Sign nothing. Depending on venue, don’t cash out. Just keep saying you want to leave.

They have no legal right to detain you (we are talking about counting, not behaviour related). If you are surrounded, manhandled in any way, then go to the back room, under duress.

+1

Just take the chips with you and deal with cashing out later.

If it's an Indian casino, you have no rights.

[RTR2021]

First time? What did you do to get trashed so quick.

interested in the response to this. how long did you play? what were your spreads? what limits? were you drunk?

[BJGenius007]

interested in the response to this. how long did you play? what were your spreads? what limits? were you drunk?

He randomly bet $5, $10 or $15. He was drunk and rude to the dealer and people at the table.

[Hsiaodi]

Your game is strong, OP.

[LVBear584]

First time card counting and the back off happens. I was trespassed and had the option to either give them my info or take a photo which I was told was mandatory and had no choice. Pretty bummed because I enjoy the buffet and some of the concerts.

Do I legally have to let them take my photo when I am being trespassed? I kinda just wanted to tell the security guards, "nah, I'm just going to cash in and leave", but I do not know which side of the law that would fall under.

Casino employees have no more "authority" over you than do Wal-Mart greeters. This might help:

http://www.thebeargrowls.com/?p=73

[Midwest Player]

Casino employees have no more "authority" over you than do Wal-Mart greeters. This might help:

http://www.thebeargrowls.com/?p=73

Link doesn't work for me.

[Freightman]

Link doesn't work for me.

Works for me. If you’re having issues, just copy, paste

[BJGenius007]

Link doesn't work for me.

Works on MS Edge, but not working on Firefox.

[SoCalStealth]

interested in the response to this. how long did you play? what were your spreads? what limits? were you drunk?

It was a double deck S17 DAS RSA game with 1 deck penetration

*late Monday/early Tuesday
*I played for four hours in high limit
*simple 1-3 bet spread, playing one spot.
*Table minimum was $25. My bet range was 25-100.
* no drinks, just some coffee.


I was in there by myself, and actually had some good conversations with the dealer and even the pit boss between shoes about the UCLA women's softball. Behavior was normal, just started winning.
My original concern was more that when I asked security if it was mandatory that they collect information he got angry and insisted on it.

[SoCalStealth]

He randomly bet $5, $10 or $15. He was drunk and rude to the dealer and people at the table.

lol, to the contrary BJ genius.

[SoCalStealth]

Link doesn't work for me.

Got it on google chrome