Kansas City, MO

**SkinnyBJplayer** · 05-27-2019, 12:49 PM

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Banker,

I concur.
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**Midwest Player** · 05-27-2019, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by Freightman

No, it’s not very beatable, but it is beatable. Requires decent rules, heads up (at most one other player) and a big spread. By big, I don’t mean 1-8.

The store you’re playing at needs to be tolerant, and much preferably, not a database participant.

Sim shows a 50% pen DD game is beatable with 3 players with a 1 to 8 spread. The sim shows over $18 an hour with $10 to $80 spread.

**21forme** · 05-27-2019, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by Midwest Player

The sim shows over $18 an hour

I wouldn't call that a winning game, unless of course, you're taking public transportation and reimbursable casino shuttles.

**Freightman** · 05-27-2019, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Midwest Player

Sim shows a 50% pen DD game is beatable with 3 players with a 1 to 8 spread. The sim shows over $18 an hour with $10 to $80 spread.

Sorry, but re do your sim. With 4 hands (3 players and dealer, consuming 2.7 cards per hand, 10.8 hands per round, you will get less than 3 hands per shuffle. With any resemblance of normalcy, $18 per hour is out of the question.

**Banker** · 05-27-2019, 03:46 PM

52 cards divided by 10.8 is 4.8, so it is like 5 rounds.

**Freightman** · 05-27-2019, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Banker

52 cards divided by 10.8 is 4.8, so it is like 5 rounds.

I had single deck on the brain, regardless, the point applies.

**21forme** · 05-27-2019, 04:04 PM

I looked at it in CVCX. if it's a DAS game, it's $18/hr. In NDAS it's $13/hr. It's a terrible game. Might as well work at McDonalds.

**Member Name Hidden** · 05-27-2019, 06:22 PM

KCMO... No, they cannot back you off. They can, however, make the game unplayable. DD is usually a flat bet, while 6D starts as a half shoe then moves further and further in, until you get the hint.

At DD, they jut announce to the table "folks, we have an advantage player at the table, and as long as that player is here, the minimum bet is $25 and the maximum bet is $50" while they look directly at you. At 6D, they wait until someone notices the half (or less) shoe and do the same.

The ugliest backoffs I have seen were in KCMO. Yes, all but one casino is a database participant, and they are quick to do so. I suspect they are bitter that they can't back you off, so they go for blood. I was databased for a 1-3 (breakeven) spread on DD. I was playing very conservatively because I did not want to lose the area. My lifetime winnings at the databasing casino were under 5K.

**Midwest Player** · 05-27-2019, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by Member Name Hidden

KCMO... No, they cannot back you off. They can, however, make the game unplayable. DD is usually a flat bet, while 6D starts as a half shoe then moves further and further in, until you get the hint.

At DD, they jut announce to the table "folks, we have an advantage player at the table, and as long as that player is here, the minimum bet is $25 and the maximum bet is $50" while they look directly at you. At 6D, they wait until someone notices the half (or less) shoe and do the same.

The ugliest backoffs I have seen were in KCMO. Yes, all but one casino is a database participant, and they are quick to do so. I suspect they are bitter that they can't back you off, so they go for blood. I was databased for a 1-3 (breakeven) spread on DD. I was playing very conservatively because I did not want to lose the area. My lifetime winnings at the databasing casino were under 5K.

From what I hear Ameristar is the worst for databasing in Kansas City.

**ZeeBabar** · 05-28-2019, 05:29 AM

Originally Posted by Midwest Player

From what I hear Ameristar is the worst for databasing in Kansas City.

Funny thing, one Ameristar put me in the OSN database, the others let me play everywhere. I just play and if they ask, I refuse the card, say I dont have one. One of them even said, "You used to have it, give me your name". I told him a stort about ID theft and no, I was not going to share my name. Luckily, I was down at the time, he left me alone and I played a few hours there.

**refinery** · 05-28-2019, 05:36 AM

Originally Posted by ZeeBabar

Funny thing, one Ameristar put me in the OSN database, the others let me play everywhere. I just play and if they ask, I refuse the card, say I dont have one. One of them even said, "You used to have it, give me your name". I told him a stort about ID theft and no, I was not going to share my name. Luckily, I was down at the time, he left me alone and I played a few hours there.

Don't be Zee, ladies and gentlemen.