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    Raising your bet quickly?

    I’m curious how those of you who do this professionally might handle this scenario:

    You are playing through a shoe that is staying right around a neutral count until you are down to about you last two hands. You’ve been betting the table minimum and been slowly losing money. There is zero heat. Then, in one hand, a slew of low cards come out pushing the count to about six above neutral. You figure you have either one or two more hands in the shoe. Do you suddenly put up your max bet, planning to vacate thereafter? Are you more conservative and only modestly increase your bet? Etc. You have been at this casino for maybe 90 minutes and this is the first time any shoe has become favorable. You want to be able to come back to this casino in the near future.

    Thanks in advance.
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    If I was planning to leave at the end of this shoe, I'd push out the big bets. When it's over I'd grab my chips and leave.

    Be aware that for large bet jumps, the dealer might call out checks play to attract the attention of the pit. In a sweat shop, they'll break the shoe and shuffle.

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    I've gone from min to max in this scenario without anything happening except for a remark from the dealer, but that was in some very tolerant and/or oblivious stores. In general I think it would be best to just push out a modest bet and play the next shoe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Splitting Tens View Post
    I’m curious how those of you who do this professionally might handle this scenario:

    You are playing through a shoe that is staying right around a neutral count until you are down to about you last two hands. You’ve been betting the table minimum and been slowly losing money. There is zero heat. Then, in one hand, a slew of low cards come out pushing the count to about six above neutral. You figure you have either one or two more hands in the shoe. Do you suddenly put up your max bet, planning to vacate thereafter? Are you more conservative and only modestly increase your bet? Etc. You have been at this casino for maybe 90 minutes and this is the first time any shoe has become favorable. You want to be able to come back to this casino in the near future.

    Thanks in advance.
    A professional will bet optimally, which means betting the max according to his BR and ROR. It does not mean betting all the money you have on you.

    A recreational player would consider what would be tolerable if he lost the last two hand also. Pros bet for maximum dollar value. Recreational players factor in how they would feel if they won or lost. They dont want to take home with them a miserable mood that would affect the rest of the evening, still be able to give to family. I would risk enough to get back to even, consider it a wash if I win and just a little worse off if I lose, live to play another day.

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    With only one round left in the shuffle, I'd keep the bet the same.
    "Everyone wants to be rich, but nobody wants to work for it." -Ryan Howard [The Office]

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    Thanks for the responses. I do find it amusing that there were several very different approaches. I put up my max bet last night with a “WTF” comment. I was, curious as to how experts would handle it.

    I don’t worry about being upset losing money. I only play with what I can afford and don’t rely on this for a living. Right now I’m up $1200 for the month, so I’m not sweating the $150 I lost in the last 20 minutes. (I am mildly annoyed as I lost eight straight hands as the count rose, wagered my max bet and lost three straight as I got stiff hands while the other players and dealer enjoyed the high cards.) I Wonged out for a dinner break thereafter as the count became unfavorable.

    I’m simply very competitive and want to do what I can to maximize my winnings - without getting 86’d.

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    Not sure why most people think you should leave after putting out a max bet. it is only natural if low cards come out to bet big. No need for a count. You need to get your money back, right. If the casino would sweat that, then you wasting your time playing there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Splitting Tens View Post
    I’m curious how those of you who do this professionally might handle this scenario:

    You are playing through a shoe that is staying right around a neutral count until you are down to about you last two hands. You’ve been betting the table minimum and been slowly losing money. There is zero heat. Then, in one hand, a slew of low cards come out pushing the count to about six above neutral. You figure you have either one or two more hands in the shoe. Do you suddenly put up your max bet, planning to vacate thereafter? Are you more conservative and only modestly increase your bet? Etc. You have been at this casino for maybe 90 minutes and this is the first time any shoe has become favorable. You want to be able to come back to this casino in the near future.

    Thanks in advance.
    So you just can't bet table minimum for multiple shoes, then suddenly switch gears. That's easily noticeable.

    The correct, answer, I feel, is it depends...

    If I had to buy in to make another max bet, I probably would go "all in" instead of buying in. It's a classic desperate fish move. Then when the shoe is over, you can evaluate staying vs leaving. You got some money back, so you can leave, or you lost it all so now you have to buy in, or you busted out so you're going home, etc. The "all in" move allows you to play the ploppy role.

    If there's really no heat, and I had chips in front of me, I'd go max. Put out your max bet, but then let it ride off the top of the next shoe. Now you're positioned to either stay at an elevated bet level, assuming the count warrants it, OR you can say I see this shoe is like the last one, color up and leave. Again, classic ploppy.

    At the end of the day, I'd get as close to max as possible.

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    There are many different responses , i am more of a SHOVER . THE MORE ADVANCED MOVE IS GET TO KNOW THE PLACE FIRST THEN ACT ACCORDINGLY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCJH View Post
    ...If there's really no heat, and I had chips in front of me, I'd go max. Put out your max bet, but then let it ride off the top of the next shoe.....
    ...this actually isn't bad advice....IT'S HORRIBLE!!!!???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharky View Post
    ...this actually isn't bad advice....IT'S HORRIBLE!!!!???
    Um, not really. Showing you bet big off the top is good cover. Sim it. See how much (or little) it impacts your EV.

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    Who needs a sim? The cost in terms of expectation for a $300 bet in a game with a 0.5% house edge is a whopping $1.5. A small price to pay if it increases your longevity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stopgambling View Post
    There are many different responses , i am more of a SHOVER . THE MORE ADVANCED MOVE IS GET TO KNOW THE PLACE FIRST THEN ACT ACCORDINGLY.
    I couldn't agree more. I'd also include that if it was a local place, I'd air ever so slightly on the conservative side for longevity. If it's someplace you're probably never going to visit again PUSH IT REAL GOOD
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