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    Quote Originally Posted by ShipTheCookies View Post
    The amount doesn't matter. You are purposely breaking up a large transaction into many smaller ones to avoid ANY reporting. If you're trying to even avoid the cage keeping track of them is still structuring. You'll find out the hard way sooner our later.
    Back up this statement with a link.

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    Shipthecookies, are you saying if I play short sessions and cash out after each session, I’m “structuring” and doing something illegal? If that’s the case, then there are a lot of people (APs and ploppies) throughout our country doing illegal things.

    When you say, we’ll find out the hard way sooner or later, can you give me a more defined timeline on when the hammer is going to come down. I never knew playing short sessions and cashing out after each session was illegal until your post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dbs6582 View Post
    Shipthecookies, are you saying if I play short sessions and cash out after each session, I’m “structuring” and doing something illegal? If that’s the case, then there are a lot of people (APs and ploppies) throughout our country doing illegal things.

    When you say, we’ll find out the hard way sooner or later, can you give me a more defined timeline on when the hammer is going to come down. I never knew playing short sessions and cashing out after each session was illegal until your post.
    If your total winning from 0:00 to 23:59 exceeds $10K and did not cash out at the same time or report it on your last trip to the cage that date, it is illegal.

    Some casinos choose 3K or 1K threshold to record your name then do the addition for you. Normally 3K or 1K threshold is sufficient enough to avoid some people from structuring. They can still use camera to catch people who visit cages 20 times to cash $500 each.

    The best way is not to win over $10K each date. Otherwise just report it. Don't try to outsmart US government. The casinos have nothing to do with this matter. They don't use the opportunity to collect AP's name. Otherwise, they are messing with US government, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    If your total winning from 0:00 to 23:59 exceeds $10K and did not cash out at the same time or report it on your last trip to the cage that date, it is illegal.

    Some casinos choose 3K or 1K threshold to record your name then do the addition for you. Normally 3K or 1K threshold is sufficient enough to avoid some people from structuring. They can still use camera to catch people who visit cages 20 times to cash $500 each.

    The best way is not to win over $10K each date. Otherwise just report it. Don't try to outsmart US government. The casinos have nothing to do with this matter. They don't use the opportunity to collect AP's name. Otherwise, they are messing with US government, too.
    Your statement is completely different from what we were discussing. We explicitly said under 10k.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShipTheCookies View Post
    The amount doesn't matter. You are purposely breaking up a large transaction into many smaller ones to avoid ANY reporting. If you're trying to even avoid the cage keeping track of them is still structuring. You'll find out the hard way sooner our later.
    Good luck proving that when I CTR at my bank all the time and report my gambling winnings on my tax return every year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    If your total winning from 0:00 to 23:59 exceeds $10K and did not cash out at the same time or report it on your last trip to the cage that date, it is illegal.

    Some casinos choose 3K or 1K threshold to record your name then do the addition for you. Normally 3K or 1K threshold is sufficient enough to avoid some people from structuring. They can still use camera to catch people who visit cages 20 times to cash $500 each.

    The best way is not to win over $10K each date. Otherwise just report it. Don't try to outsmart US government. The casinos have nothing to do with this matter. They don't use the opportunity to collect AP's name. Otherwise, they are messing with US government, too.
    3 points, valid within Canada and certainly in most jurisdictions.
    1. The 24 hour 10 k limit is not necessarily is not necessarily a calendar day, but rather a defined 24 hour period, especially true in most jurisdictions where casinos are not open 24 hours.
    2. I have (certainly not in all cases) successfully refused to give ID on cashouts exceeding 3K. The argument is - if it is lawful to provide ID (10k threshold), no problem, however, if it is simply a matter of casino policy to do so, my privacy trumps their policy. Hold your ground.
    3. Cumulative cashouts exceeding 10k within whatever the defined 24 hour period is, requires ID.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShipTheCookies View Post
    Not a good idea to admit that you're structuring. I'd delete that post if I were you.
    How do you prove structuring? Because you say so? Cute!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShipTheCookies View Post
    Not a good idea to admit that you're structuring. I'd delete that post if I were you.
    Under 10,000 is not structuring.

    Structuring is avoiding CTR. That doesn't apply here. He's avoiding internal administrative rules.

    Back to flipping burgers you go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    If your total winning from 0:00 to 23:59 exceeds $10K and did not cash out at the same time or report it on your last trip to the cage that date, it is illegal.

    Some casinos choose 3K or 1K threshold to record your name then do the addition for you. Normally 3K or 1K threshold is sufficient enough to avoid some people from structuring. They can still use camera to catch people who visit cages 20 times to cash $500 each.

    The best way is not to win over $10K each date. Otherwise just report it. Don't try to outsmart US government. The casinos have nothing to do with this matter. They don't use the opportunity to collect AP's name. Otherwise, they are messing with US government, too.
    CTR has nothing to do with winnings - you're mistaking a CTR for a W2-G. You can buy $11,000 in chips and cash them out at the same window and they have to generate a CTR.
    Same thing at your bank. You can withdraw $10,000 in cash and deposit it a moment later and a CTR will be generated.
    They (casino or bank) is not reporting winnings, they're reporting a cash transaction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMass View Post
    CTR has nothing to do with winnings - you're mistaking a CTR for a W2-G. You can buy $11,000 in chips and cash them out at the same window and they have to generate a CTR.
    Same thing at your bank. You can withdraw $10,000 in cash and deposit it a moment later and a CTR will be generated.
    They (casino or bank) is not reporting winnings, they're reporting a cash transaction.
    Well said!

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    Ok so back to my original question...Do states casino rules even allow them to demand ID? Forget structuring and all that.
    I'm asking well below 10k cashout etc. Why can a casino demand an ID from us? Walmart or any other business cannot demand my ID.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Counting_Is_Fun View Post
    Ok so back to my original question...Do states casino rules even allow them to demand ID? Forget structuring and all that.
    I'm asking well below 10k cashout etc. Why can a casino demand an ID from us? Walmart or any other business cannot demand my ID.
    They can all ask, but that doesn't means you have to give it. Most casinos I play at ask, but will settle for a name. Just give them an alias. I treat it like a request for a card, with a no thank you. Tell them your spouse doesn't knew you're here, you're technically in the area for work, the price of tea in china is too high, whatever. Just be polite and firm, give them a name and leave. You can always get gaming involved, but your goal is to be quickly forgotten and that would be remembered.

    A friend says they didn't ask for ID when I bought these chips, so I'm not giving it now.

    Along those lines, try to only get black chips in smaller casinos. The same casino that cashes out 20 black chips ofent balks at four purple. In larger venues, never get yellow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Counting_Is_Fun View Post
    Yeah I am talking below $10K
    Many (Most?) casinos have a cage limit to cash out without getting ID. In my experience in the LV area, offstrip is about 2K and on strip is about 5K. Money laundering issues were heavily regulated after the 911 catastophe. In addition to the 10K rule are rules for structuring which have a much lower boundary which is set by casino policy.

    In Vegas, they do not have to cash your chips unless they want to .I can assure you they can and may keep them if they ID you as an AP. Harrah's confiscated my 8 black chips, gave me a reciept and told me to take it up with Gaming, even after having my ID. They demanded I tell them what date and on what table I played. I had the chips for over 8 months prior and had no idea where, when or how I goT them.

    FYI, the gaming agent told me I would have to file a claim and then go present my case to the gaming board. RESEARCH THE GAMING LAWS IN NEVADA! VERY UGLY, VERY CASINO PREFERENCED.
    Luck is nothing more than probability taken personally!

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