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    Why can cage demand ID?

    Hello All,
    I play unrated and at the cage I simply refuse to provide ID whenever asked. I say something like, sorry I love playing here but I don't handout my ID to anyone. I do not know what you will do with my personal information etc.
    So my question is, why are casinos even allowed to demand ID at the cage at all? If you are obviously of age...over 40 grey hair etc? Do states casino rules even allow them to demand ID?

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    Are you in the United States? Google KYC/AML and FinCEN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Counting_Is_Fun View Post
    Hello All,
    I play unrated and at the cage I simply refuse to provide ID whenever asked. I say something like, sorry I love playing here but I don't handout my ID to anyone. I do not know what you will do with my personal information etc.
    So my question is, why are casinos even allowed to demand ID at the cage at all? If you are obviously of age...over 40 grey hair etc? Do states casino rules even allow them to demand ID?
    They are allowed to demand ID if you have a single transaction over $10,000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCJH View Post
    They are allowed to demand ID if you have a single transaction over $10,000.
    Yeah I am talking below $10K

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCJH View Post
    They are allowed to demand ID if you have a single transaction over $10,000.
    Quote Originally Posted by Counting_Is_Fun View Post
    Yeah I am talking below $10K
    Google it like I suggested. 10k limit is only one very small part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by therefinery View Post
    Google it like I suggested. 10k limit is only one very small part.
    Yes I already googled it...that is not my question. I am not asking about Indian Casinos either obviously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Counting_Is_Fun View Post
    Yeah I am talking below $10K
    Many (Most?) casinos have a cage limit to cash out without getting ID. In my experience in the LV area, offstrip is about 2K and on strip is about 5K. Money laundering issues were heavily regulated after the 911 catastophe. In addition to the 10K rule are rules for structuring which have a much lower boundary which is set by casino policy.

    In Vegas, they do not have to cash your chips unless they want to .I can assure you they can and may keep them if they ID you as an AP. Harrah's confiscated my 8 black chips, gave me a reciept and told me to take it up with Gaming, even after having my ID. They demanded I tell them what date and on what table I played. I had the chips for over 8 months prior and had no idea where, when or how I goT them.

    FYI, the gaming agent told me I would have to file a claim and then go present my case to the gaming board. RESEARCH THE GAMING LAWS IN NEVADA! VERY UGLY, VERY CASINO PREFERENCED.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealth View Post
    Many (Most?) casinos have a cage limit to cash out without getting ID. In my experience in the LV area, offstrip is about 2K and on strip is about 5K. Money laundering issues were heavily regulated after the 911 catastophe. In addition to the 10K rule are rules for structuring which have a much lower boundary which is set by casino policy.

    In Vegas, they do not have to cash your chips unless they want to .I can assure you they can and may keep them if they ID you as an AP. Harrah's confiscated my 8 black chips, gave me a reciept and told me to take it up with Gaming, even after having my ID. They demanded I tell them what date and on what table I played. I had the chips for over 8 months prior and had no idea where, when or how I goT them.

    FYI, the gaming agent told me I would have to file a claim and then go present my case to the gaming board. RESEARCH THE GAMING LAWS IN NEVADA! VERY UGLY, VERY CASINO PREFERENCED.
    They confiscated your chips not because you are an AP but because the chips expired. I have played at casinos that all their chips have RFID. The pit boss remind me going straight to the cage to cash the chips right away or today. They have camera along the aisle from tables to the cage. Even the players don't give casinos the ID. They use sorted pictures to track everyone's winnings.

    I did not give pit boss any ID. I played only 30 minutes and cashed out under $1,000. When I cashed my chips, I leaned on the cage to see what's on the monitor. It is my DMV photo, much younger though, could be two cycles ago. Somehow casinos can build a database with most population, at least on the same state, integrated with real time facial recognition software, tracking any dime players won. I say these days, winning big over a long period of time from one single casino or casino chain is over. The technology makes it impossible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BJGenius007 View Post
    They confiscated your chips not because you are an AP but because the chips expired.
    Wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Counting_Is_Fun View Post
    Yeah I am talking below $10K
    I've had native stores try to demand ID in order to cash out below $10k. I simply return on a different shift and conduct incremental cash outs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwocky View Post
    I've had native stores try to demand ID in order to cash out below $10k. I simply return on a different shift and conduct incremental cash outs.
    Not only Indian casinos. If you cash out more than $1,000 in Wendover they want to see your players card and they write your name down on a list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwocky View Post
    I've had native stores try to demand ID in order to cash out below $10k.....
    Not a good idea to admit that you're structuring. I'd delete that post if I were you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShipTheCookies View Post
    Not a good idea to admit that you're structuring. I'd delete that post if I were you.
    How is it structuring if it is below 10k?

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