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    Playing multiple hands - Question for Don

    Okay, suppose you are playing with another player at the table. The count warrants a bet of $100 for one hand. Is it better to play 2 hands of $50 (decreases variance while keeping EV the same) or should you spread to two hands of $75 (variance remains same but EV increases by 50%). If SCORE is hourly earnings then I'm guessing the latter scenario produces the higher SCORE. But which scenario will generate a higher CE?

    Thanks,
    MJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJ1 View Post
    Okay, suppose you are playing with another player at the table. The count warrants a bet of $100 for one hand. Is it better to play 2 hands of $50 (decreases variance while keeping EV the same) or should you spread to two hands of $75 (variance remains same but EV increases by 50%). If SCORE is hourly earnings then I'm guessing the latter scenario produces the higher SCORE. But which scenario will generate a higher CE?

    Thanks,
    MJ
    With one other player, play the two hands of $75. EV increases by 50% and you use 33% more cards (four hands instead of three), which is a good tradeoff.

    Note that your variance does NOT remain the same; rather it also increases. It's your ROR that remains the same, which isn't the same thing as variance.

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    Note that your variance does NOT remain the same; rather it also increases. It's your ROR that remains the same, which isn't the same thing as variance.

    Don
    Thanks for responding, I know how much you loathe this topic. Good catch, since the counter is wagering 50% more money his variance must increase.

    On a side note, in the scenerio of betting $50 on each of the two hands, the RoR decreases as a result of decreasing variance, correct?

    If you wager 50% more on each hand, then variance increases by 50%, correct?

    Shall I assume from your answer if one's goal is to maximize CE (not SCORE) that two hands of $75 is best? This is the essential question.

    Thanks again,
    MJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJ1 View Post
    Thanks for responding, I know how much you loathe this topic.
    Yes, I do. :-) Was in a charitable mood. :-)

    Quote Originally Posted by MJ1 View Post
    On a side note, in the scenerio [scenario] of betting $50 on each of the two hands, the RoR decreases as a result of decreasing variance, correct?
    Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by MJ1 View Post
    If you wager 50% more on each hand, then variance increases by 50%, correct?
    Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by MJ1 View Post
    Shall I assume from your answer if one's goal is to maximize CE (not SCORE) that two hands of $75 is best? This is the essential question.
    Yes.

    Don

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    In practice, I find myself with 3 options AT TIMES. I can play the entire 2 or 6 deck playing 2 hands (ofcourse, I would wong out of the 6 deck game if it goes TC-2). I could start with 2 hands, drop down to one at negative counts and sometimes start with one hand and add another hand when count goes positive and sometimes, I can get away with constant fluctuating between 1 hand (negative count) and 2 hands (positive count) or vice versa (one hand with more $$ on positive counts and two hands of minimum). I also play uneven amounts on each hands. It all depends upon casino ande heat and act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    I can get away with constant fluctuating between 1 hand (negative count) and 2 hands
    Is that why you have to travel half way across the country to play and have been databased?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    Is that why you have to travel half way across the country to play and have been databased?
    Still obsessed. Sad. I travel to Las Vegas because its the cheapest flight I can get (Long live Frontier). The database is irrelevent because its never affected me. A couple of casinos in my town take counter measures but I am n ot the only one who does.

    I can count one casino to back me off immediately as surely as I can find one forum member who will always follow my post(s).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Still obsessed. Sad. I travel to Las Vegas because its the cheapest flight I can get (Long live Frontier). The database is irrelevent because its never affected me. A couple of casinos in my town take counter measures but I am n ot the only one who does.

    I can count one casino to back me off immediately as surely as I can find one forum member who will always follow my post(s).
    Still stupid and unable to comprehend those with more experience than you. Sad.

    Continue on your current course - play emotionally, worry about short term results, and spend more time travelling than playing. My constructive comments to you are over, again.

    For the newbies reading this - do the opposite of what Zee does and you're liley to be successful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    . My constructive comments to you are over, again.
    Drop the word, constructive, and try hard not to post to me, for me or about me. Just address the OP or better yet, stay off any thread I initiate. You are a great AP, I am not and while I know the need of some AP's to get their hostilities out on newbies and recreational player posters, it just does not suit you to get on every thread I post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Drop the word, constructive, and try hard not to post to me, for me or about me. Just address the OP or better yet, stay off any thread I initiate. You are a great AP, I am not and while I know the need of some AP's to get their hostilities out on newbies and recreational player posters, it just does not suit you to get on every thread I post.
    You are now back on my ignore list. I won't see your posts unless someone quotes them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    You are now back on my ignore list. I won't see your posts unless someone quotes them.
    Girls, please stop being so childish.

    Everyone has their own style. Anyone able to get a positive EV longterm is doing well. Maximising EV, CE, ROR, Score, might work for those with OCD but really isn't the be all and end all of life.
    How many decimal places do you work to 21forme ? However many it is, it's not enough....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ummagumma View Post
    Girls, please stop being so childish.

    Everyone loves these fat burners for belly fat and has their own style. Anyone able to get a positive EV longterm is doing well. Maximising EV, CE, ROR, Score, might work for those with OCD but really isn't the be all and end all of life.
    How many decimal places do you work to 21forme ? However many it is, it's not enough....
    Aye, if you have a positive EV longterm, you're golden. I for one like hearing differing opinions on styles and all that jazz though.
    Last edited by Proctor; 10-23-2023 at 08:16 AM.

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    Having a tiny positive e.v. means little if you
    never get into the long-run, with a big bankroll.

    The Law of Large Numbers, eh ?

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