Raising your bet quickly?

[Splitting Tens]

I’m curious how those of you who do this professionally might handle this scenario:

You are playing through a shoe that is staying right around a neutral count until you are down to about you last two hands. You’ve been betting the table minimum and been slowly losing money. There is zero heat. Then, in one hand, a slew of low cards come out pushing the count to about six above neutral. You figure you have either one or two more hands in the shoe. Do you suddenly put up your max bet, planning to vacate thereafter? Are you more conservative and only modestly increase your bet? Etc. You have been at this casino for maybe 90 minutes and this is the first time any shoe has become favorable. You want to be able to come back to this casino in the near future.

Thanks in advance.

[21forme]

If I was planning to leave at the end of this shoe, I'd push out the big bets. When it's over I'd grab my chips and leave.

Be aware that for large bet jumps, the dealer might call out checks play to attract the attention of the pit. In a sweat shop, they'll break the shoe and shuffle.

[Meistro123]

I've gone from min to max in this scenario without anything happening except for a remark from the dealer, but that was in some very tolerant and/or oblivious stores. In general I think it would be best to just push out a modest bet and play the next shoe.

[ZeeBabar]

I’m curious how those of you who do this professionally might handle this scenario:

You are playing through a shoe that is staying right around a neutral count until you are down to about you last two hands. You’ve been betting the table minimum and been slowly losing money. There is zero heat. Then, in one hand, a slew of low cards come out pushing the count to about six above neutral. You figure you have either one or two more hands in the shoe. Do you suddenly put up your max bet, planning to vacate thereafter? Are you more conservative and only modestly increase your bet? Etc. You have been at this casino for maybe 90 minutes and this is the first time any shoe has become favorable. You want to be able to come back to this casino in the near future.

Thanks in advance.

A professional will bet optimally, which means betting the max according to his BR and ROR. It does not mean betting all the money you have on you.

A recreational player would consider what would be tolerable if he lost the last two hand also. Pros bet for maximum dollar value. Recreational players factor in how they would feel if they won or lost. They dont want to take home with them a miserable mood that would affect the rest of the evening, still be able to give to family. I would risk enough to get back to even, consider it a wash if I win and just a little worse off if I lose, live to play another day.

[SkinnyBJplayer]

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I would risk enough to get back to even

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NOW I understand why this character is berated more than any other poster here in this forum.
That is de facto evidence of compulsive gambling; I note where he fails to mention his feelings
if he loses his final bet(s)which is approximately as likely as winning those bets. Also, he is also
implying that he will wager ALL of his remaining money earmarked for that session if losing enough.
In infer that if he is losing most of what he has bought in for he has no compunctions about reaching
into his pocket and buying in for a relatively large amount when at the end of the shoe, prompting the
pit critter to call surveillance when he colors up and/or leaves, so that he can be 86'd upon his return.

If he is not striving toward [at least a modest level of] expert play, then why does he post here?
It occurs to me that his presence here does not help a newbie to play BJ better than he already does.
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[SkinnyBJplayer]

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I think that the comment by RCJH re: Sharky's reaction is on point.
Let's say you are playing BJ at a $5 to $500 table. You want to put
the pit critter at ease. You're aware that your bet-spread will be
scrutinized. You decide to spread $20 to $100 because the table
conditions are very good. So is your skill level. You very much want
to preserve the "welcome mat." You do not need to bet $100 and have
Table Max" called out. Bet 1/2 of the table max. You bet $50. What is
the cost to you? The house edge varies, but assuming a double deck
H17 RSA game, it is taken to be 0.35%; meaning that your (long-term)
"cost" is $0.70. That is a reasonable price to pay, as your winning the
hand will be a welcome event, and even losing the hand will give you the
"green light' to spread from $10 to $50 without heat - at least for awhile.
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[Sharky]

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I think that the comment by RCJH re: Sharky's reaction is on point.
....You want to put....the pit critter at ease. You're aware that your bet-spread will be
scrutinized. ...z
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...and what part of the OP's comment of "zero heat" do you not understand???....go ahead...change the rules to suit

that's the problem w/ commenting here....the reading comprehension is really pathetic...folks don't know the difference between "and", and "or", either (someone foolishly commenting that you need >25% pen AND LS to play 8D???....I never heard anything so absurd, from someone I had respected, no less)

[refinery]

...and what part of the OP's comment of "zero heat" do you not understand???....go ahead...change the rules to suit

that's the problem w/ commenting here....the reading comprehension is really pathetic...folks don't know the difference between "and", and "or", either (someone foolishly commenting that you need >25% pen AND LS to play 8D???....I never heard anything so absurd, from someone I had respected, no less)

Please just let them think that.

[SkinnyBJplayer]

ZeeBabar's babble:

"A professional will bet optimally, which means betting the max according to his BR and ROR. It does not mean betting all the money you have on you.

A recreational player would consider what would be tolerable if he lost the last two hand also. Pros bet for maximum dollar value. Recreational players factor in how they would feel if they won or lost. They dont want to take home with them a miserable mood that would affect the rest of the evening, still be able to give to family. I would risk enough to get back to even, consider it a wash if I win and just a little worse off if I lose, live to play another day."

This is wrong in too many ways for me to list.
"Betting Optimally" will severely curtail your future opportunities.
The part about "miserable mood" is absurdly ill-advised.
The concept of "Maximum Value" is ill-conceived.
The beginner needs to learn about bankroll requirements,
variance, "Risk Aversion" and related issues e.g. "Risk of Ruin."

Now I understand why ZeeBabar is an object of derision on this website.

[RS]

With only one round left in the shuffle, I'd keep the bet the same.

[Splitting Tens]

Thanks for the responses. I do find it amusing that there were several very different approaches. I put up my max bet last night with a “WTF” comment. I was, curious as to how experts would handle it.

I don’t worry about being upset losing money. I only play with what I can afford and don’t rely on this for a living. Right now I’m up $1200 for the month, so I’m not sweating the $150 I lost in the last 20 minutes. (I am mildly annoyed as I lost eight straight hands as the count rose, wagered my max bet and lost three straight as I got stiff hands while the other players and dealer enjoyed the high cards.) I Wonged out for a dinner break thereafter as the count became unfavorable.

I’m simply very competitive and want to do what I can to maximize my winnings - without getting 86’d.

[Banker]

Not sure why most people think you should leave after putting out a max bet. it is only natural if low cards come out to bet big. No need for a count. You need to get your money back, right. If the casino would sweat that, then you wasting your time playing there.

[RCJH]

I’m curious how those of you who do this professionally might handle this scenario:

You are playing through a shoe that is staying right around a neutral count until you are down to about you last two hands. You’ve been betting the table minimum and been slowly losing money. There is zero heat. Then, in one hand, a slew of low cards come out pushing the count to about six above neutral. You figure you have either one or two more hands in the shoe. Do you suddenly put up your max bet, planning to vacate thereafter? Are you more conservative and only modestly increase your bet? Etc. You have been at this casino for maybe 90 minutes and this is the first time any shoe has become favorable. You want to be able to come back to this casino in the near future.

Thanks in advance.

So you just can't bet table minimum for multiple shoes, then suddenly switch gears. That's easily noticeable.

The correct, answer, I feel, is it depends...

If I had to buy in to make another max bet, I probably would go "all in" instead of buying in. It's a classic desperate fish move. Then when the shoe is over, you can evaluate staying vs leaving. You got some money back, so you can leave, or you lost it all so now you have to buy in, or you busted out so you're going home, etc. The "all in" move allows you to play the ploppy role.

If there's really no heat, and I had chips in front of me, I'd go max. Put out your max bet, but then let it ride off the top of the next shoe. Now you're positioned to either stay at an elevated bet level, assuming the count warrants it, OR you can say I see this shoe is like the last one, color up and leave. Again, classic ploppy.

At the end of the day, I'd get as close to max as possible.