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    Quote Originally Posted by abc4000 View Post
    I start count in the middle of shoe most of time. Thanks


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    How can you start count in middle of the shoe. You back count from the start, jump in, perhaps in the middle of the shoe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by abc4000 View Post
    If i start count in the begining of the shoes, it will take half shoe for the count to hit +1. i also start count in the middle of shoe sometimes" only If i pass by a table and see alot of small cards been dealt on that hand" i believe it shouldnt affect the game except the pen i worse. But on The other hand you save time, so it should be same ev as backcounting at begining of the shoe everytime

    Im not sure if im corret


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    abc4000, In post #5 you wrote:

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    Also what i dont understand is does penetration matters if you back count? I start count in the middle of shoe most of time. Thanks"


    Whenever or how often you enter an 8 deck shoe at the midpoint without knowing the count other than the exposed cards on the felt what do you use for the running count divisor to get the true count? I hope you are not at that point of entry dividing the running count by 4 to get a true count, which I think you may be doing as there are only 4 decks left. If that is the case of what you are doing it is all wrong, as you need to divide the running count by ALL the decks that you have not seen, which also includes the four decks in the discard tray and the remaining decks left in the shoe.
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    Sorry maybe i wasnt explaint myself clearly. Let say i pass by a table which been dealt three decks and pen is one deck, now dealer deal out 3 players all small cards, let say the running count is +12, if i enter the game at this time i would have a true count of +1 with 3 deck cut pen. I understand the pen is very bad, but it save time in the other hand. My understanding is it would end up same hr ev.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    How can you start count in middle of the shoe. You back count from the start, jump in, perhaps in the middle of the shoe?
    Cards are cards right, only pen changes, running count and true count are same right


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    Quote Originally Posted by abc4000 View Post
    Cards are cards right, only pen changes, running count and true count are same right


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    Go back and read my post #8 again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abc4000 View Post
    Sorry maybe i wasnt explaint myself clearly. Let say i pass by a table which been dealt three decks and pen is one deck, now dealer deal out 3 players all small cards, let say the running count is +12, if i enter the game at this time i would have a true count of +1 with 3 deck cut pen. I understand the pen is very bad, but it save time in the other hand. My understanding is it would end up same hr ev.


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    If this is 8 deck shoe, then TC = +12/ 7.75 = +1
    If this is 6 deck shoe, then TC = +12/5.75 = +2

    The TC is round down in calculation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abc4000 View Post
    Sorry maybe i wasnt explaint myself clearly. Let say i pass by a table which been dealt three decks and pen is one deck, now dealer deal out 3 players all small cards, let say the running count is +12, if i enter the game at this time i would have a true count of +1 with 3 deck cut pen. I understand the pen is very bad, but it save time in the other hand. My understanding is it would end up same hr ev.


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    In your above example, you have left yourself with 50% pen three decks in the discard tray that you did not see and one deck still left behind the cut card. Your hourly EV is not going to stay the same. With 50% pen in an 8 deck game you will have very few chances to make big bets. Don't mess with that one deck cut that you already have, it is the best thing that you have going for you as far as the house policy set rules.

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    betting spread

    Wow..... I suppose we are super helpful today because s/he actually bought cvcx?

    Edit: meaning we assume he/she actually want to learn?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hsiaodi View Post
    Wow..... I suppose we are super helpful today because s/he actually bought cvcx?
    Yes the cvcx veey helpful, and norm very helpful too, worth the money


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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    In your above example, you have left yourself with 50% pen three decks in the discard tray that you did not see and one deck still left behind the cut card. Your hourly EV is not going to stay the same. With 50% pen in an 8 deck game you will have very few chances to make big bets. Don't mess with that one deck cut that you already have, it is the best thing that you have going for you as far as the house policy set rules.
    Thanks, so its better to start backcount in the begining of the shoe right. Also if i play as the sim setup, i would have $96 per hour ev? Thats amazing


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