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    I back count most of time, if i run cvcx correctly, it reduce ror alot. Also what i dont understand is does penetration matters if you back count? I start count in the middle of shoe most of time. Thanks


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    Pen is one of the top priorities that card counters look for in game selection. You have 88% pen in your game which you should be very happy about. Unfortunately, you turned what appears to be a real good game into shambles. Most of the time you do not start counting cards until half the shoe is gone. That is 50% of the shoe you did not count, 12% of the cards are behind the cut card, which you also are not counting, equaling 62% of the cards are not being counted by you. In your cvcx chart instead of putting 7 decks, and 88% pen put in 3 decks and 37% pen to correctly reflect what you are currently doing. See what kind of results you then receive.

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    No. If there are 8 decks, you must specify 8 decks. And all the decks are counted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    No. If there are 8 decks, you must specify 8 decks. And all the decks are counted.
    Norm, I am referring to the line below the rules line.

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    abc4000, are you saying you don't count at all until halfway through the shoe, or that on average you enter at that point because of backcounting?
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    abc4000, are you saying you don't count at all until halfway through the shoe, or that on average you enter at that point because of backcounting?
    I think abc4000, Wongs out of some shoes, but will start counting another table already in the process of being played.

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    abc4000, are you saying you don't count at all until halfway through the shoe, or that on average you enter at that point because of backcounting?
    If i start count in the begining of the shoes, it will take half shoe for the count to hit +1. i also start count in the middle of shoe sometimes" only If i pass by a table and see alot of small cards been dealt on that hand" i believe it shouldnt affect the game except the pen i worse. But on The other hand you save time, so it should be same ev as backcounting at begining of the shoe everytime

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    I think abc4000, Wongs out of some shoes, but will start counting another table already in the process of being played.
    Yep. He likes to begin counting exactly in the mid point of the shoe. Because he heard the second half of the shoe is better.

    Just thought I have seen everything.

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    Starting the count halfway through an eight shoe gives you horrible penetration and penetration is extremely important., backcounting or not.
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    Also if i setup the sim right, the sim shows by backcount the game should have $96 per hr win and ror 3.2% . And The back counting 28.4% means enter rate is 28.4% per hour?


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    The CE/WR should be 0.5 in order to have an optimal wager.

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