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    Quote Originally Posted by drunk View Post
    the best thing for the OP to do would be to leave this forum and try to find somewhere he can get answers to his questions without having people address him in a condescending manner
    All of your comments above show either a fundamental misunderstanding of the English language, or, as Buckster said, your attempt at turning the original question into a form that would fit your agenda.

    The correct answer to a recreational player with no edge, who is asking when he should quit is, "It doesn't make the slightest bit of difference; you're going to lose, so how you take those losses is of little consequence." Since you think it's more important not to tell him the truth or hurt his feelings, go ahead and give him your best answer. But, if it isn't along the lines of the above, then you're just being hypocritical and fomenting discord here for no reason. Just how much time, on an AP board, do you want members to take explaining, to a negative-e.v. BS strategy player, that there's no such thing as an optimal quitting moment for him to take all his millions in profits?

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by drunk View Post
    the best thing for the OP to do would be to leave this forum and try to find somewhere he can get answers to his questions without having people address him in a condescending manner
    He should receive an honest and straightforward answer without leaving this forum.
    There is always room for improvement even though He plays for fun on a bloody CSM without an edge.
    Nonetheless I don't entirely understand why such comments as "We Know how to beat CSM but We won't tell you..." helps the BJ community.



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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    All of your comments above show either a fundamental misunderstanding of the English language, or, as Buckster said, your attempt at turning the original question into a form that would fit your agenda.

    The correct answer to a recreational player with no edge, who is asking when he should quit is, "It doesn't make the slightest bit of difference; you're going to lose, so how you take those losses is of little consequence." Since you think it's more important not to tell him the truth or hurt his feelings, go ahead and give him your best answer. But, if it isn't along the lines of the above, then you're just being hypocritical and fomenting discord here for no reason. Just how much time, on an AP board, do you want members to take explaining, to a negative-e.v. BS strategy player, that there's no such thing as an optimal quitting moment for him to take all his millions in profits?

    Don
    Then someone should explain this to Don Johnson. Don won millions playing BJ in a negative-EV way at three casinos; he got an article written about his exploits, and then became semi-famous, and got elected into the BJ Hall of Fame.

    And both sides (Don and the casinos) confirmed this is how Don played during his three bigs wins. So it’s not correct to imply someone can’t win millions playing BJ in a negative EV way. Kerry Packer also won millions playing bj in a negative EV. He also probably lost millions.

    I think if Don Johnson (a current member of the BJ Hall of Fame) answered this question, he’d say if you’re on a hot streak and winning keep playing till the casino runs out of chips and you can no longer play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    All of your comments above show either a fundamental misunderstanding of the English language, or, as Buckster said, your attempt at turning the original question into a form that would fit your agenda.

    The correct answer to a recreational player with no edge, who is asking when he should quit is, "It doesn't make the slightest bit of difference; you're going to lose, so how you take those losses is of little consequence." Since you think it's more important not to tell him the truth or hurt his feelings, go ahead and give him your best answer. But, if it isn't along the lines of the above, then you're just being hypocritical and fomenting discord here for no reason. Just how much time, on an AP board, do you want members to take explaining, to a negative-e.v. BS strategy player, that there's no such thing as an optimal quitting moment for him to take all his millions in profits?

    Don

    1. I acknowledge that you have greater math skills than I do, and that your expertise in BJ is greater than mine. But I don't believe you have any greater fluency with the English language than I do.


    2. "my agenda" Gee, I wonder what that could be. to sow discord? how much money can I make doing that?


    3. you saw the OP's question as being a mathematical one. I did not. believe it or not, everything in life cannot be reduced to a mathematical equation.


    4. my best answer is this: a non professional player should think of the very smallest amount that would give him some pleasure if he were to be so lucky as to win. and if he wins that amount that is when he should stop playing


    ......he should also think of the amount of money he could lose without it causing him any considerable amount of financial or emotional distress. and he should stop playing if and when he has lost that amount
    Last edited by drunk; 04-05-2019 at 09:03 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philster View Post
    Thanks for the replies, but I must add (it's probably obvs) that I'm a recreational gambler. I do not use accoutrements such as algorithms, SD or other statistical methods, counting etc. I just use basic strategy and I have been winning quite a bit at various casinos with CSMs that I play at. I was in LV about 18 months ago and did quite nicely there too, playing at various casinos, again CSMs (Strip and downtown), so I'm happy to continue. I'm just trying to be realistic as to what a good gain is.
    Philster, since you are trying to be realistic in attempting to find out what a good gain is, you should also ask yourself what you consider is a good loss. No one asked you these questions can you afford to take some defeats in accordance with your betting patterns? Speaking of which do you vary your bet sizes? If you do why? Do you believe in betting trends? If you do, you got this idea right out of your head fast.
    Last edited by BoSox; 04-05-2019 at 09:45 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dbs6582 View Post
    Then someone should explain this to Don Johnson. Don won millions playing BJ in a negative-EV way at three casinos; he got an article written about his exploits, and then became semi-famous, and got elected into the BJ Hall of Fame.

    And both sides (Don and the casinos) confirmed this is how Don played during his three bigs wins. So it’s not correct to imply someone can’t win millions playing BJ in a negative EV way. Kerry Packer also won millions playing bj in a negative EV. He also probably lost millions.

    I think if Don Johnson (a current member of the BJ Hall of Fame) answered this question, he’d say if you’re on a hot streak and winning keep playing till the casino runs out of chips and you can no longer play.
    Oh, for God's sake, will you please just go away with your obsesssion with Don Johnson. Who the fuck cares about that in this thread? We're talking about a total newcomer who doesn't have a clue. Do you think he's going to play like Don Johnson? What's wrong with you?

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    Oh, for God's sake, will you please just go away with your obsesssion with Don Johnson. Who the fuck cares about that in this thread? We're talking about a total newcomer who doesn't have a clue. Do you think he's going to play like Don Johnson? What's wrong with you?

    Don
    My point is you can win playing bj in a negative EV way. People have done it. As I’m sure you know, some people win the lottery even though it’s a negative EV game.

    The answer to this person question should have been play as long as you want. They is no optimal time to quite. This is true for the AP or the ploppy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dbs6582 View Post
    The answer to this person question should have been play as long as you want. They is no optimal time to quite. This is true for the AP or the ploppy.
    You just flunked the entire course Dbs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ferenc11 View Post
    He should receive an honest and straightforward answer without leaving this forum.
    There is always room for improvement even though He plays for fun on a bloody CSM without an edge.
    Nonetheless I don't entirely understand why such comments as "We Know how to beat CSM but We won't tell you..." helps the BJ community.



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    Quote Originally Posted by therefinery View Post
    This is your fundamental misunderstanding: there is no "blackjack" community. There IS an AP community.
    My bad...you're right. I was being too idealistic.

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