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    Quote Originally Posted by drunk View Post
    you answer does not take into account the fact that the OP described himself as a recreational gambler
    you are suggesting that there can be no entertainment value from for example playing BJ with basic strategy and ceding only a small edge to the house

    not everybody who plays BJ with a negative expectation is destroying themselves
    the vast majority, probably around 98% of all gamblers, do not get seriously hurt financially by the small losses they take

    yes, he's more likely than not to end up negative
    so what? if he's enjoyed himself as millions do

    people who love scuba diving end up negative in their financials.
    should they stop scuba diving?



    there's a great irony in APs looking down on or ridiculing those who don't play with an edge although I'm not saying that was done in this thread
    even though it wasn't done in this thread it's done fairly often
    sometimes I even wonder if APs see the irony

    the irony is this:
    casinos are not going to deal beatable BJ games if only skilled APs show up at their tables

    maybe the recreational gamblers should be greatly appreciated by APs
    You're correct the OP does (in his second post) say that he's a recreational player. However, he also mentions not wanting to be greedy, and later says that he's just trying to calculate what a good gain is. He considers himself a winner. The advice is tailored to someone asking a strategic question about how to make money.

    Had he asked. "I'm a losing player who really enjoys blackjack, how long should my sessions be?" I think we all would have said "as long as you can afford, and it's still fun" by the way this is the same answer I would have given to your scuba diving question.

    You post seems you're purposely misunderstanding the context of a conversation just to make a counterpoint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tetn1s View Post
    Lets say I played until I made $10. I bet $5 and win, so my session lasted one hand.

    You must have doubled down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philster View Post
    I'm just trying to be realistic as to what a good gain is.
    $5.00

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    Quote Originally Posted by drunk View Post
    the question could have been answered in a much better way
    He asked for realistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drunk View Post
    the best thing for the OP to do would be to leave this forum and try to find somewhere he can get answers to his questions without having people address him in a condescending manner
    All of your comments above show either a fundamental misunderstanding of the English language, or, as Buckster said, your attempt at turning the original question into a form that would fit your agenda.

    The correct answer to a recreational player with no edge, who is asking when he should quit is, "It doesn't make the slightest bit of difference; you're going to lose, so how you take those losses is of little consequence." Since you think it's more important not to tell him the truth or hurt his feelings, go ahead and give him your best answer. But, if it isn't along the lines of the above, then you're just being hypocritical and fomenting discord here for no reason. Just how much time, on an AP board, do you want members to take explaining, to a negative-e.v. BS strategy player, that there's no such thing as an optimal quitting moment for him to take all his millions in profits?

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by drunk View Post
    the best thing for the OP to do would be to leave this forum and try to find somewhere he can get answers to his questions without having people address him in a condescending manner
    He should receive an honest and straightforward answer without leaving this forum.
    There is always room for improvement even though He plays for fun on a bloody CSM without an edge.
    Nonetheless I don't entirely understand why such comments as "We Know how to beat CSM but We won't tell you..." helps the BJ community.



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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    All of your comments above show either a fundamental misunderstanding of the English language, or, as Buckster said, your attempt at turning the original question into a form that would fit your agenda.

    The correct answer to a recreational player with no edge, who is asking when he should quit is, "It doesn't make the slightest bit of difference; you're going to lose, so how you take those losses is of little consequence." Since you think it's more important not to tell him the truth or hurt his feelings, go ahead and give him your best answer. But, if it isn't along the lines of the above, then you're just being hypocritical and fomenting discord here for no reason. Just how much time, on an AP board, do you want members to take explaining, to a negative-e.v. BS strategy player, that there's no such thing as an optimal quitting moment for him to take all his millions in profits?

    Don
    Then someone should explain this to Don Johnson. Don won millions playing BJ in a negative-EV way at three casinos; he got an article written about his exploits, and then became semi-famous, and got elected into the BJ Hall of Fame.

    And both sides (Don and the casinos) confirmed this is how Don played during his three bigs wins. So it’s not correct to imply someone can’t win millions playing BJ in a negative EV way. Kerry Packer also won millions playing bj in a negative EV. He also probably lost millions.

    I think if Don Johnson (a current member of the BJ Hall of Fame) answered this question, he’d say if you’re on a hot streak and winning keep playing till the casino runs out of chips and you can no longer play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philster View Post
    Thanks for the replies, but I must add (it's probably obvs) that I'm a recreational gambler. I do not use accoutrements such as algorithms, SD or other statistical methods, counting etc. I just use basic strategy and I have been winning quite a bit at various casinos with CSMs that I play at. I was in LV about 18 months ago and did quite nicely there too, playing at various casinos, again CSMs (Strip and downtown), so I'm happy to continue. I'm just trying to be realistic as to what a good gain is.
    Philster, since you are trying to be realistic in attempting to find out what a good gain is, you should also ask yourself what you consider is a good loss. No one asked you these questions can you afford to take some defeats in accordance with your betting patterns? Speaking of which do you vary your bet sizes? If you do why? Do you believe in betting trends? If you do, you got this idea right out of your head fast.
    Last edited by BoSox; 04-05-2019 at 09:45 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dbs6582 View Post
    Then someone should explain this to Don Johnson. Don won millions playing BJ in a negative-EV way at three casinos; he got an article written about his exploits, and then became semi-famous, and got elected into the BJ Hall of Fame.

    And both sides (Don and the casinos) confirmed this is how Don played during his three bigs wins. So it’s not correct to imply someone can’t win millions playing BJ in a negative EV way. Kerry Packer also won millions playing bj in a negative EV. He also probably lost millions.

    I think if Don Johnson (a current member of the BJ Hall of Fame) answered this question, he’d say if you’re on a hot streak and winning keep playing till the casino runs out of chips and you can no longer play.
    Oh, for God's sake, will you please just go away with your obsesssion with Don Johnson. Who the fuck cares about that in this thread? We're talking about a total newcomer who doesn't have a clue. Do you think he's going to play like Don Johnson? What's wrong with you?

    Don

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSchles View Post
    Oh, for God's sake, will you please just go away with your obsesssion with Don Johnson. Who the fuck cares about that in this thread? We're talking about a total newcomer who doesn't have a clue. Do you think he's going to play like Don Johnson? What's wrong with you?

    Don
    My point is you can win playing bj in a negative EV way. People have done it. As I’m sure you know, some people win the lottery even though it’s a negative EV game.

    The answer to this person question should have been play as long as you want. They is no optimal time to quite. This is true for the AP or the ploppy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dbs6582 View Post
    The answer to this person question should have been play as long as you want. They is no optimal time to quite. This is true for the AP or the ploppy.
    You just flunked the entire course Dbs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ferenc11 View Post
    He should receive an honest and straightforward answer without leaving this forum.
    There is always room for improvement even though He plays for fun on a bloody CSM without an edge.
    Nonetheless I don't entirely understand why such comments as "We Know how to beat CSM but We won't tell you..." helps the BJ community.



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    This is your fundamental misunderstanding: there is no "blackjack" community. There IS an AP community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by therefinery View Post
    This is your fundamental misunderstanding: there is no "blackjack" community. There IS an AP community.
    My bad...you're right. I was being too idealistic.

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