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    Quote Originally Posted by spitz View Post
    Seems like 10k isn't enough to be playing spotter/Bp efficiently since I can just play 1-12/16 spread on my own at a $5 6 deck game. Maybe if I work hard on growing my bankroll to $20k and coming back to this strat it might be more efficient. I do have playing experience already. Played recreational/part time using hi-lo with the indices using 1-12 on a 6 deck and 1-8 on double deck. My game was not perfect and I made the mistake on going to the casino and over/under betting with an undersized BR. Lost about half my BR then took a long break. Now I'm back and more motivated then ever!! I think for now I will play on my own and work on growing my BR to $20k. What size of BR do you need to be able to play spotter/BP efficiently?
    Define "Efficiently". With a Single player at 1/18 I want a $45k+ BR. For team play considering the costs of operating I would say a $100k min. The "team" concept is as diverse as the game of BJ itself. I'm shocked and appalled that you are willing to risk your BR of $10k without a SHRED of supporting data or a systematic, MATHEMATIC game plan. Let me work with your BR and I'll give you 60% of the profits. Jk

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    Quote Originally Posted by dharmaprija View Post
    Define "Efficiently". With a Single player at 1/18 I want a $45k+ BR. For team play considering the costs of operating I would say a $100k min. The "team" concept is as diverse as the game of BJ itself. I'm shocked and appalled that you are willing to risk your BR of $10k without a SHRED of supporting data or a systematic, MATHEMATIC game plan. Let me work with your BR and I'll give you 60% of the profits. Jk
    Shocked and appalled that I have no supporting data??? $10k BR with a 1-12 spread on a 6deck $5 game using hi-lo with ALL the indices while wonging out TC-2 is not a MATHEMATIC GAME PLAN?!? I already stated MULTIPLE times I DONT HAVE CVCX or ANY verite software yet so I cant get the EXACT ROR. If you couldn't tell I'm still in my early days of my blackjack life. I haven't been backed off or barred at any casinos and I don't play rated at all. Yes, maybe my rough draft game plan was a bit out there and completely wrong but I'm completely willing to change everything to play at an advantage while pushing the boundaries. I'm willing to have a higher ROR on my BR if it meant my EV goes up. I understand professionals want the ROR to be as close to 0 as possible but I'm not striving to become a professional or do this full time.

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    I think what people are trying to tell you is...none of us would be playing at all if we didn't know what our ror is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spitz View Post
    Shocked and appalled that I have no supporting data??? $10k BR with a 1-12 spread on a 6deck $5 game using hi-lo with ALL the indices while wonging out TC-2 is not a MATHEMATIC GAME PLAN?!? I already stated MULTIPLE times I DONT HAVE CVCX or ANY verite software yet so I cant get the EXACT ROR. If you couldn't tell I'm still in my early days of my blackjack life. I haven't been backed off or barred at any casinos and I don't play rated at all. Yes, maybe my rough draft game plan was a bit out there and completely wrong but I'm completely willing to change everything to play at an advantage while pushing the boundaries. I'm willing to have a higher ROR on my BR if it meant my EV goes up. I understand professionals want the ROR to be as close to 0 as possible but I'm not striving to become a professional or do this full time.
    More power to you my friend and understand that my comment was mostly meant in the spirit of comradery and jest. My point was that you should definitely invest the few hundred dollars on the software and make a gp that you can attempt to stick with. The good natured intended jest was focused on your willingness to risk 10k yet foot dragging on dropping a few hunny for SIMS that are PRICELESS. Another great investment is CBJN. I'm more than willing to be of any service I can as well to in essence "pay forward" advice I have received in my 7 years of the life. PM me or my email is on site if you search it. Couple of quick hits: Game selection/penetration are key. BR management. Trust of teammates. And last, Documentation! Keep track of every penny in expenses, gas, food, lodging, TIME, incidentals, literally everything you spend and make. Oh and variance is MURDER.

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    And I agree with the other poster...at most places, the heat is going to be sizzling if you think you are going to get called in to a $5 table and just start firing $200+ bets. And it won't take them long to realize that you only do that when your buddy is sitting at the same table.
    If you are a slash and burner then go for it for as long as you can get away with, but don't expect to be invited back.
    Counting is the easy part... getting the money is hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spitz View Post
    I already stated MULTIPLE times I DONT HAVE CVCX or ANY verite software yet so I cant get the EXACT ROR
    If you have a bankroll > $170 you should get this. A small price to pay for accurate information and peace of mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spitz View Post
    If it were a $10 table the spread would go down to 1-20 but a $5 table would be the 1-40
    I do not know about other regions but in my local stores you may get away with that spread couple times but be careful if you do not want to get flyers.

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    Get CVCX. This is really where you need to start. How are you going to come up with a game plan if you don't know what your EV, SD, SCORE, etc. is? How can you come up with an idea of how to go about expenses, paying the spotter (or splitting), or if it's even worth it to you? I'm not saying that to attack you or anything, but this is stuff you REALLY need to absolutely know.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RS View Post
    How are you going to come up with a game plan if you don't know what your EV, SD, SCORE, etc. is? How can you come up with an idea of how to go about expenses,
    You need to know all of that but getting cvcx is not a must. One can use BJA 3 or the cvcx in the browser and get a pretty good idea. I can understand why the OP is not getting one with a 10k bankroll. I know i didn't then and it didn't affect my game then. What the OP needs to know is all the important components of a winning game not just SD, ScORE and especially not just EV ( +EV needs certainty to be meaningful)

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