10k for each member playing as if bankroll of 100k . let's say max bet is $500 it is only 20 max bets . People playing in 2 different states . how are you going to bring $ back n forth . Time lost and gas vs lost EV . Human are selfish ,I have seen too many incidents of hiding games and likely misreport results. it is never perfect. I got over 4000 hours of play if not more . If all Ap plays adds up then it is considerably more . So don't bash me like a NOOB.
What is your point? You want to convince some of the greatest teams in the history of blackjack--Francesco/Uston, Hyland, the Greeks, the Czechs, MIT, et al. that the concept can't work? They'll probably disagree.
Meanwhile, playing on a high-stakes team has many of the pitfalls you mention. It will never be perfect. But don't dismiss the idea as if every team is doomed to failure, because, well, that's a foolish outlook. If you're looking for answers as to how to overcome some of the aforementioned difficulties, that's another matter. But, if you're just here to bitch about how the concept can't work, spare us, please.
Don
Stealth had the big players on our team playing at two hands of $300 and our bankroll was bigger than $100k. He always used to say that we needed "several bullets in our gun." When our bankroll went down, we switched to two hands of $200.Originally Posted by G Man
BP's would flat bet at 2x$300 when signaled in until the count dropped to whatever TC we had set. Then they would bounce. I don't remember what TC that was though. It's been about eight years ago.
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Given decent rules and deck pen - no question that EV would exceed optimal ramping. The cost of this would be much higher variance and a likely possible higher ROR depending on bankroll. I certainly don’t care for the non Kelly approach though having “lots of bullets” certainly provides some justification.
Granted other than some minor team play in my birthing days, I’ve no experience with the team rules of team play. My guess is that on the need for management control, nuance play would be prohibited standardizing actual play potentially limiting EV to a long term max equalling computer simulation - though it’s been said by high end players that long term EV is usually below actual simulation.
As I’ve often espoused, with an arsenal of weapons in my personal toolkit, EV exceeds simulation. I’ve achieved this objective for many uninterrupted months, though I have to mention December has yielded only 1 win in 3 outings achieving a paltry $15 per hour on approx 7 hours. The issue for me has gradually evolved into exposure - trading a lower ramp for a higher % session win rate.
Last, personal goals need to linked to the equation. I don’t know if it’s possible, but I do wonder if personal goals could be fed into the simulation thus altering optimal outcomes. Further, from my perspective, I think it too difficult to feed additional nuances into the equation.
Fundamentally - a paradigm shift.
Freightman, when you calculate the EV of your past results you're not counting the times when you bust and you grab your bet off the table and run out the casino are you? You shouldn't count those times it will skew your numbers.
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