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    Is card counting on the decline and if so at what rate"?

    So by doing a little side research project the past 2 months, raised a debate of "Is card counting on the decline and if so at what rate"?
    Casinos across the country constantly making small tweaks to their rules & conditions, which is putting a squeeze on card counters edge. Eliminating the smallest edge increases the variance and so on so forth. So with just those 2 sentences said, raises this open debate that I would like to hear everyones input. Please don't be biased in your thought process and weigh all the past and present evidence that the casinos have put in front of you.
    In my research, millions and millions of ploppy gamblers (many blackjack players) still do not know what card counting is and how it works. They raid casinos all across the country (and online) bringing their hard earned cash & unsuspecting thought process. They do not research anything in order to find out just how much casinos have a advantage. This definitely holds true for online casinos, as their tables are always full of ploppies playing 50% or less penetration daily. Land based casinos are catching on knowing they can tweak their rules a little more in favor to them, less to the card counters & its still not going to affect their bottomline profits. In fact, doing so could possibly increase them ever so slightly from the increased variance it brings to the card counters attempting to beat their games. I do not see an end to this pattern and it may taper off when casinos have nearly the perfect rules/conditions that can still have edge over the good card counters & still bring in ploppies at a steady rate. Included in my research were stories from "anonymous" past successful card counters, whose hung up the gloves in their fight against casinos. The ever so declining rules/conditions affected the EV so negatively over past few years & weighed heavily on the decisions to quit. Theres very few excellent card counters left out there & casinos know, their current rules can still crush those card counters who enter their domain to early in their training.
    So I could keep going with my analysis, but I keep it to my bullet points and welcome the open debate to begin. Questioning me, dogging my opinion etc, etc will truely fall on deaf ears. So with that said, lets hear from many others in the trenches if their struggles have been increased or lessoned over past few years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GAS1 View Post
    So by doing a little side research project the past 2 months, raised a debate of "Is card counting on the decline and if so at what rate"?
    GAS1, card counting by itself is increasing not declining as every day there are more, and more casinos to play at. Advertising videos on the internet also help lure the dreamers into the game. That is how you asked the question, and I do not think that is what you were looking for. Now good games that allow some moderate action are hard to find "no one is talking" and are in fact getting more scarce by the day.

    Quote Originally Posted by GAS1 View Post
    Questioning me, dogging my opinion etc, etc will truely fall on deaf ears. So with that said, lets hear from many others in the trenches if their struggles have been increased or lessoned over past few years?
    Sounds like a trick question. One avenue closes and another opens. Hopefully the more competition amongst different ownerships will somewhat stabilize the continuation of declining game rules for the players, but, unfortunately I doubt it.
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    Besides more lousy games the corporate casinos are raising prices on food, lodging, and entertainment. The bean counters are squeezing out every penny of profit to satisfy their stockholders, even charging for parking! But every once in a while an opportunity arises. Be alert and be ready, and don't blast information about your honey hole all over the internet, causing the opportunity to vanish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoSox View Post
    GAS1, card counting by itself is increasing not declining as every day there are more, and more casinos to play at. Advertising videos on the internet also help lure the dreamers into the game. That is how you asked the question, and I do not think that is what you were looking for. Now good games that allow some moderate action are hard to find "no one is talking" and are in fact getting more scarce by the day.



    Sounds like a trick question. One avenue closes and another opens. Hopefully the more competition amongst different ownerships will somewhat stabilize the continuation of declining game rules for the players, but, unfortunately I doubt it.


    Bosox, I should've phrased that better but I think after reading my point was, can making money consistently be made long, by card counters these days. Maybe by a very select few, but overall the squeeze is and has been in by casinos

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    "All the proof of a pudding, is in the eating"

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    Quote Originally Posted by GAS1 View Post
    Bosox, I should've phrased that better but I think after reading my point was, can making money consistently be made long, by card counters these days. Maybe by a very select few, but overall the squeeze is and has been in by casinos
    With all the numerous, and constant changes going on today in the casino industry it is almost impossible to think long term by a card counter. Just in the last five years alone so many rule changes have taken place, and the new technology that is constantly coming out, no one will know what's its going to be like in the next five years. Plus the newer generations of players are more than willing to accept anything new that is freely offered by casinos without further evaluation.

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    The Delta (or rate of change) is variable, and subject to the
    absurdity shifts that come with major events in our collective
    timeline. Technological advances are a critical variable here.

    I almost stated: "It continues apace, but hardly predictable
    except to say that it cannot be stopped or even slowed, and there
    is no way to reverse it."
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    Interesting question if applied to the UK . . .

    In the UK exploitable BJ games that can be counted are virtually zip now. This is largely due to all of the main casino operating chains opting to put Dysons on the BJ tables (with a few exceptions on the higher min tables sure) and with many of the smaller outfits and independents following suit - Napoleons in Leicester Square use to boast of offering the best game in town (4 decks with standard UK ruleset) but have also dispensed with the shoes; I was told as a result of being taken for a bundle one night. Those few establishments that haven't gone down the 1-2-6 route are very counter aware and are quick to withdraw the welcome mat where they suspect players are counting down the decks - I've received stories of memberships being suspended after just a single visit to the tables at the Playboy Club and Palm Beach, neither of which I ever visited myself. A previous thread discussed the experiences of some overseas visitors to London having money they had lodged with various houses of chance confiscated, which also puts a downer on things for prospective visiting BJ advantage players.

    So in the UK we've effectively reached the end of this particular slope and I no longer bother to play BJ anymore. I suspect those that use to indulge now look to do other things, and in my case it's the footie; an interesting, but highly volatile endeavour that so far, over three seasons, has netted me around the same percentage as counting the cards use to - although as I only do it as a hobby and a challenge, for a quid a point, I'm never likely to get rich on it. Still, it keeps me off the streets.

    Good cards all.
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    UK-21.

    I can confirm what you are saying. I am barred from entry at the Playboy Club and Palm Beach.

    Are you aware that the Playboy Club belongs to C.E.T. (Caesars Entertainment) "The Evil Empire"

    Another Private Club confiscated 6 figures from a partner and it was not that easy to get the money back.



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    This subject was discussed at many threads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cc12b View Post
    This subject was discussed at many threads.

    What subject?

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    What subject?
    May be not exact wording but same subject.

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