Question?

[KANAN]

If all the players bust on their first 2 cards, does the dealer still draw a third card if he/she has 17 or higher?

[Hsiaodi]

Nope

[Dog Hand]

If all the players bust on their first 2 cards, does the dealer still draw a third card if he/she has 17 or higher?

KANAN,

For regular BJ (and regular Spanish 21), if all the players' hands are resolved (BJs, Surrenders, Busts, and for Sp21, any player 21) before the dealer plays, then the dealer NEVER draws any additional cards.

However, for certain sidebets, the dealer is required to complete her hand: in this case, the dealer plays until her hand is completed: that is, she busts, reaches a hard total of 17-21, or a soft total of at least 17 (for a S17 game) or 18 (for a H17 game).

By the way, how can the player bust on his first two cards?

Hope this helps!

Dog Hand

[Meistro123]

If all the players bust on their first 2 cards, does the dealer still draw a third card if he/she has 17 or higher?

Why would the dealer draw a third card if she has 17 or higher? The dealer is supposed to stay on 17 or higher.

[DSchles]

If all the players bust on their first 2 cards, does the dealer still draw a third card if he/she has 17 or higher?

Here's the question you meant to ask: "If all the players bust their original hands, does the dealer still draw a third card if he/she has 16 or lower?"

And, the answer is no.

Don

[davethebuilder]

What about Insurance? This is technically a side bet but if any player has placed this bet then the dealer is required to draw one more card even if all other hands have busted to determine if they have BJ.

[DSchles]

What about Insurance? This is technically a side bet but if any player has placed this bet then the dealer is required to draw one more card even if all other hands have busted to determine if they have BJ.

You didn't read the original question. It asked if the dealer is required to draw a THIRD card. So, the presumption is that he already has an upcard and a down card.

Don

[davethebuilder]

Ok, a bit of confusion between the American and Australian hole card rules which in your case sees the dealer having two cards before any hand is played, one up and one down. Then is the dealer required to draw an additional third card if all hands are busted and the answer is no. Under our rules the dealer only ever draws one card before any action requiring them to draw a second card to resolve an insurance bet.

[RCJH]

Ok, a bit of confusion between the American and Australian hole card rules which in your case sees the dealer having two cards before any hand is played, one up and one down. Then is the dealer required to draw an additional third card if all hands are busted and the answer is no. Under our rules the dealer only ever draws one card before any action requiring them to draw a second card to resolve an insurance bet.

That is interesting.

So in Australia, if the dealer has an A up and you buy insurance, they deal another card and immediately check?

Please explain what happens next. If they DON'T pull a 10, does play continue and after all of the players have played they then take a third card if necessary?

What if nobody buys insurance? Does play continue as normal, and you wait to see what card they pull?

I'm beginning to understand why there is a different BS for ENHC games.

[Meistro123]

I've never played in Australia, but generally with no hole card games the dealer does not resolve their hand until everyone else has resolved theirs.

[davethebuilder]

Australia universally uses the No Hole Card rule. This means that the dealer draws only one card prior to play and that card is shown face up. If it is an Ace then the dealer will ask for Insurance and up to 50% of the players original bet can be placed on the Insurance line. Once this bet is made all hands are played out and then the dealer takes another card to determine if they have a BJ. If so, the Insurance bet is paid at 2:1, if not the player loses. If the dealer does not draw a ten value card and all other players have busted then no more cards are drawn and the round is complete. If there are still players in the round then the dealer will play out their hand in the normal way. If the dealer does not have an Ace up Insurance is not offered. Almost all of Australia uses S17, pays 3:2 on a Blackjack and 2:1 on Insurance. There are important differences in Basic Strategy because of the different number of decks, hole card rules and general rule sets.

[Meistro123]

I've heard they use OBBO in Australia, is that correct? Stands for original and busted bet only. So that in the event of a dealer blackjack you would lose only your original bet, not any doubles or splits, unless you split and then busted on the hand?

Also can you recommend any casinos in Australia with shoe games on $25 min or less?

[Three]

So in Australia, if the dealer has an A up and you buy insurance, they deal another card and immediately check?

Reread the last line of what DTB wrote.

Under our rules the dealer only ever draws one card before any action requiring them to draw a second card to resolve an insurance bet.