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    Driving BJ trip prep.

    In my 5+ years playing this game, I have not taken extended driving trips. Based in MO, I have either flown (to Las Vegas, Denver, Biloxi) or driven to the one city on the other end of my state or to one location (Tunica, MS). I have not yet undertaken a trip through several states or to another state where I have driven around to casinos separated by distance.

    Only on one occasion, I planned a trip to go to several cities by car, play in their casinos. I had thought of driving 240 miles, playing 3-4 casinos over 2 days at one city, drive to another state and city, play 2-3 casinos there, return to stop at the first city, play some more and then drive home. Trip was going to be about 1k miles RT, playing about 25 hours. I headed out with $6k on me (had the ability to draw from ATM for more if needed). I drove the 240 miles to the first city, lost $1800 at the first casino stop in 2 hours, next morning, I hit 2 more casinos and 4 hours later, I had lost another $1800. So, being upset, I just drove back because over 50% of my trip bankroll was gone. The 5 day planned trip became just an overnight trip. I suppose if I had won on Day 1, I would have continued to complete my trip. I suppose there is a learning curve I have to go through.

    So, now I am seeking advice from those who take driving trips about planning and implementing them. Do you plan those trips in detail or remain flexible, that is, if you are having success at your first 2-3 casinos in your first city, do you stick around or do you drive onwards (so you could do another trip next month) as planned. How detailed is your planning? How much BR would you take for a 5 day trip of $1k miles and 25 hours of play? Lessons you learned from multiple road trips?

    How do you plan where to go? For example, I am in the midwest, from MO, I can head west through Kansas, southwest to Oklahoma, south to MS and north Louisiana, up to Iowa and Minnesota, east to Illinois, Indiana etc. I suppose I can use CBJN and plot a trip but want to know how you do it.

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    Sorry to hear of your bad trip experience.

    I'm also surprised to hear you've only been playing for 5 years. You come across like an ol' timer rather than a virtual novice

    You've sadly missed the great days of yor. No doubt you would have cleaned up if you'd played say 40 years ago, when I started.

    Being European my trips were based purely on the driving logistics of creating the shortest route to the best games. But as I didn't know where the best games were it came down to planning the shortest route in the time I'd allocated. As you're in today's environment and in the US this post is really pretty much useless in terms of giving you practical advice So I should stop now really Whatever else, have fun.....and best of luck....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ummagumma View Post
    Sorry to hear of your bad trip experience.

    I'm also surprised to hear you've only been playing for 5 years. You come across like an ol' timer rather than a virtual novice

    You've sadly missed the great days of yor. No doubt you would have cleaned up if you'd played say 40 years ago, when I started.

    Being European my trips were based purely on the driving logistics of creating the shortest route to the best games. But as I didn't know where the best games were it came down to planning the shortest route in the time I'd allocated. As you're in today's environment and in the US this post is really pretty much useless in terms of giving you practical advice So I should stop now really Whatever else, have fun.....and best of luck....
    Well, actually I first played BJ in the late 1980's and then read Revere, Wong and Patterson. This was when I worked in San Bernardino and played in Las Vegas. Most games were SD and DD with a few 4 deck games. There was one SD where they dealt all the way to the bottom. When I started having regular success, I found myself addicted, was heading out every Friday after work to Las Vegas. It, the addiction, began affecting my life so I left the area, moved to Dayton, OH and quit for some 20 years. Its just when I was getting close to retirement, about 5 years ago, that I started returning to the table.

    Unfortunately, the game has changed and once I burned my local casinos (took 4+ years), travel was the only option and it has taken its toll on me. Given the stakes I want to play and the time I want to be away from home, the costs of Las Vegas trips is simply not worth it. So, I am looking to do monthly short trips (less than a week duration) by car.

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    Hi ummagumma!

    Do you still play in Europe? Do you have an email address where I could bother You with a couple of questions?
    Cheers!

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    ZeeBabar,

    Do you use any kind of blackjack simulation software such as CVCX to your game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ferenc11 View Post
    ZeeBabar,

    Do you use any kind of blackjack simulation software such as CVCX to your game?
    No.

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    You should start by working on the psychological side of your play. I see a few things that are definitely not part of a winning plan for an AP.

    I headed out with $6k on me (had the ability to draw from ATM for more if needed).
    So, being upset, I just drove back because over 50% of my trip bankroll was gone.
    I suppose if I had won on Day 1, I would have continued to complete my trip.
    I suppose there is a learning curve I have to go through.
    Yes, why did you take $6K if you were only willing to lose $3600?
    Why did you made yourself believe you could use ATM when clearly you were not ready to invest more of your bankroll?
    Winning or losing in the few first hours of a trip shouldn't affect the planning of your trip except in extreme circumstantces.
    And finally, ARE YOU REALLY COMFORTABLE WITH YOUR ROR ?

    I just see you do not use any software...
    Put a little less money at risk and by all means buy CVData
    G Man

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    Exactly my point G man. He may have a threshold for losing I reckon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ferenc11 View Post
    Hi ummagumma!

    Do you still play in Europe? Do you have an email address where I could bother You with a couple of questions?
    Cheers!
    I only play in the UK at the moment. Sadly there are few places these days that are not CSM/ASM games that I don't have the knowledge to play but feel free to swing me an email, if you want: drwho88888 at protonmail dot com

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeeBabar View Post
    Well, actually I first played BJ in the late 1980's and then read Revere, Wong and Patterson. This was when I worked in San Bernardino and played in Las Vegas. Most games were SD and DD with a few 4 deck games. There was one SD where they dealt all the way to the bottom. When I started having regular success, I found myself addicted, was heading out every Friday after work to Las Vegas. It, the addiction, began affecting my life so I left the area, moved to Dayton, OH and quit for some 20 years. Its just when I was getting close to retirement, about 5 years ago, that I started returning to the table.

    Unfortunately, the game has changed and once I burned my local casinos (took 4+ years), travel was the only option and it has taken its toll on me. Given the stakes I want to play and the time I want to be away from home, the costs of Las Vegas trips is simply not worth it. So, I am looking to do monthly short trips (less than a week duration) by car.
    If that single deck game dealt all the way to the bottom is the one I think it is, you and I may have played at the same table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G Man View Post
    You should start by working on the psychological side of your play. I see a few things that are definitely not part of a winning plan for an AP.

    Yes, why did you take $6K if you were only willing to lose $3600?
    Why did you made yourself believe you could use ATM when clearly you were not ready to invest more of your bankroll?
    Winning or losing in the few first hours of a trip shouldn't affect the planning of your trip except in extreme circumstantces.
    And finally, ARE YOU REALLY COMFORTABLE WITH YOUR ROR ?

    I just see you do not use any software...
    Put a little less money at risk and by all means buy CVData
    You are correct. Its my personality that is and has been the biggest barrier. I have a $70k BR. However, I limit myself to always playing $25 min, DD or $10-$15 min 6 deck games and my max bet is always under $200, Moreover, I dont like losing over $3000 in a single day and quit if it happens (to sulk for a couple of days) and when I win $3k, I quit for the day to enjoy the euphoria. Those limits were fine in local casinos but with travel expenses, I need to overcome them or make longer trips.

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    Then why do you say your bankroll is 70K? It isn't

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    Quote Originally Posted by Counting_Is_Fun View Post
    Then why do you say your bankroll is 70K? It isn't
    It is $70k but I am not going to lose it in one day. There is an overall Bankroll, a trip bankroll and a session bankroll. The overall bank roll ($70k)is to use only for BJ, the trip Bankroll (usually $6-$10k) is the amount of money I take on trips based upon the length and number of hours I intend to play, the session bankroll ($3k-$4.5K) is the amount I take into the casino to play a session (usually 30 minutes to 2 hours)

    If during a trip, I lose so I dont have enough left ($3k) for a session, I have often quit and ended the trip.

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