AP moves or cheating?

[dharmaprija]

I found this article and it got me to thinking. What is the line between having/taking an advantage and a cheat? Finding a 0.13 slot ticket or a. 25 in the tray and keeping them are evidently illegal but Immoral? A "cheat"? MARKING the cards is illegal but being OBSERVANT and noticing anomalies of cards and playing accordingly? I have/will never engage in any activity that is either not legal nor ethically acceptable but sometimes the line can become hopelessly grey. I'm intrigued to hear everyone's ideas, experiences, standards and feedback on best practices.
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[ZenMaster_Flash]

There is NO "gray area."

[Three]

The courts ruled correctly that a unmarked deck was transformed into a marked deck by the direction of the defendants. That breaks the law the same as if you marked the cards directly.

Morals of the story is don't get greedy. If Ivey had won a smaller amount they casino would not have investigated. And don't cheat.

[RCJH]

There is NO "gray area."

Oh, I don't know...

Is accepting a misplay cheating? How about a blatant misplay, like 3:2 for surrender? How about accidentally/on purpose spilling a drink on the felt to close a seat?

It's illegal to grab someone's $.30 slot ticket; is it illegal to put your own money in the machine and "absorb" the $.30 for your play?

I would never break the law, this isn't worth it. I have, however, seen many things that would qualify as gray area.

[Optimus Prime]

Every time I get up from the table for a bathroom break or whatever, I look for slots with money in them and/or discarded tickets along the way. It's rare that a blackjack session doesn't come with a bit of discarded slot money. Am I actually doing something illegal?

[refinery]

Am I actually doing something illegal?

depending on the state, yes. Colorado for one will prosecute you.

[Three]

Am I actually doing something illegal?

Yes.

[Optimus Prime]

Wow. I figured it wasn't any different than picking up cash off the floor. Is that illegal also? What if I find a stray check? Also illegal to pick it up? Note that I'm doing this exclusively at an Indian store if that makes any difference.

[Three]

Wow. I figured it wasn't any different than picking up cash off the floor. Is that illegal also? What if I find a stray check? Also illegal to pick it up? Note that I'm doing this exclusively at an Indian store if that makes any difference.

Yes

[21frogman]

There is NO "gray area."

I agree.
Legal constraints are designated in laws.
Moral constraints are individual. This, of course, provides a lot of leeway. So, I guess that there can be a gray area for some.
Ethical constraints are enumerated by the institution.

That last sentence brings up another question. Has anyone seen or heard of any casino's "Code of Ethics"?
or even a "Code of Conduct"

[RCJH]

Am I actually doing something illegal?

Like everyone else said the answer is yes. The casino is the rightful owner of lost money.

I would like to put an eye rolling emoji here but I can't, so just know that I'm rolling my eyes at the above statement. Most ploppies leave their small tickets so someone else could benefit not knowing that it's going right into the casino's coffers.

[21forme]

I look for slots with money in them and/or discarded tickets along the way.

In some states, it's a crime.

[Midwest Player]

There was a poster on BJ21 who admitted to picking an 8 cent voucher out of the urinal and cashing it. Cashier wondered why it was wet.

I often see slot vouchers in the trash. I assume they are small, but I would never dig them out of the trash. If I see one in a machine I usually take it and will put it in the cashier's tip jar. I really don't want any small change.